Cash for Clunkers, Healthcare Reform and Bad Timing

[volinbham]

Stories are popping up everywhere about all the snafu's with Cash for Clunkers. One of the government responses is to put more money in the program. It's a complicated, bloated process with unintended consequences.

Given that lawmakers are on recess and presumably hearing from their constituents, will the public display of government ineptitude in Cash for Clunkers be enough to turn people against government run health insurance?

To me, the timing of this Cash for Clunkers situation looks like the second torpedo in government run HC (the first was the CBO report).

 

[MG1968]

that's the government's only response, throw more money at it.

lawmakers will find some way to spin this and blame the auto dealers. After all, their intentions were good, it must have been the fault of those greedy capitalists.

the polls are trending away from socialized medicine, fortunately.

 

[hmanvolfan]

It never ceases to amaze me that the liberals railed about uncontrolled spending in the Bush administration while the floodgates have opened with Obama.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

So the Cash for Clunkers program is a complete disaster (big surprise)...and yet there are some that want this same government that can't even handle "clunkers" to run our healthcare?

Wow....

 

[SavageOrangeJug]

Have you watched the news?

They are portraying this Cash for Clunkers deal as a savior to the auto industry and the economy. Gullible Americans will naturally buy their liberal spiel.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Have you watched the news?

They are portraying this Cash for Clunkers deal as a savior to the auto industry and the economy. Gullible Americans will naturally buy their liberal spiel.

Well of course they are, and they're the same ones singing the praises of Obamacare. But anyone looking for the truth stopped watching the news a long time ago.

 

[gsvol]

Well of course they are, and they're the same ones singing the praises of Obamacare. But anyone looking for the truth stopped watching the news a long time ago.

Amen, how right you are, double plus good duck speak is all you hear on the propaganda outlets these days.

Bart Simpson better represents the view of the American people than Brian Williams.

Even a watered-down version of Obama's plan would shift the country permanently to the left.

Health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture. That's its attraction for an ambitious president: It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in a way that hands all the advantages to statists – to those who believe government has a legitimate right to regulate human affairs in every particular.

That's not why it's tanking in the polls, of course. It's floundering because Obama sold it initially on the basis of "controlling costs," and then the Congressional Budget Office let the cat out of the bag and pointed out that, au contraire, it would cost $1.6 trillion, and therefore either add to an unsustainable deficit, or require massive tax increases, or (more likely) both.

How did the health-care debate decay to the point where we think it entirely natural for the central government to fix a collective figure for what 300 million freeborn citizens ought to be spending on something as basic to individual liberty as their own bodies?


That's the argument that needs to be won.

Freedom is messy. In free societies, people will fall through the cracks – drink too much, eat too much, buy unaffordable homes, fail to make prudent provision for health care and much else. But the price of being relieved of all those tiresome choices by a benign paternal government is far too high.

Government health care would be wrong even if it "controlled costs." It's a liberty issue. I'd rather be free to choose, even if I make the wrong choices.

 

[utvolpj]

It never ceases to amaze me that the liberals railed about uncontrolled spending in the Bush administration while the floodgates have opened with Obama.

the Dems weren't upset they were jealous

 

[Lexvol]

Has anyone bothered to do the math on this C for C deal? How many cars would it take for the govt to go through 1 billion in a week? 222,000 cars in one week? Really?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Sinhlehandedly imploded the used car market. Brilliant.
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[Vol Mania 21]

i've heard several auto dealers complain about this program. they said that they have to get onto the govt site and put in the deals that they have by a certain time and if they don't then too bad, also calls to the help desk keep disconnecting, and several of the auto dealers said that when they brought up certain problems that the help desk told them that they would have to call back since they haven't thought of that type of problem yet. this is ridiculous

 

[volinbham]

I saw a news blurb done from a lot in Atlanta. They showed all the trade-ins awaiting destruction. Looked like about 30 cars and most of them looked to be less than 10 years old and the bodies looked in good condition.

There is something disturbing about the government providing incentives to encourage people to get rid of working products to buy new ones.

 

[IPorange]

I've never bought a car for more than 3500 bucks... Looks like I will have to next time.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

 

[Arclight]

So, now they want to infuse more money into this scam. If we are trillions in debt, where are they getting the money ?

They are printing it. This will help cause major inflation.

What a con, using our tax money so Govt Motors and the UAW can get richer. Follow the money folks.

 

[volinbham]

So, now they want to infuse more money into this scam. If we are trillions in debt, where are they getting the money ?

They are printing it. This will help cause major inflation.

What a con, using our tax money so Govt Motors and the UAW can get richer. Follow the money folks.

Technically it would be Stimulus money that is "repurposed". Still, it's borrowed tax payer money.

I heard a commentator today say that if the Senate doesn't approve it, Team Obama may still make an emergency appropriation to fund it --- from the TARP monies hmy:

 

[Oldvol75]

Whats going to happen to all these people that are buying these new cars, if and when the economy tanks again, are we going to have something similiar to the housing market collapse? If more and more people begin to lose their jobs, then we will be in the same shape!