Catastrophic destruction in Japan

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As most of you know, Japan was hit by a massive 8.9 earthquake, aftershocks, and multiple large tsunamis today and the coastline is completely destroyed. Please say a prayer for the people of Japan, God knows they need it right now...
 
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I see we now have a flux capacitor and rewound time. Probably for the best.. Doc Emmitt Brown lives!!!!! I feel a Huey Lewis montage coming on.
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I take it I started something and walked away without ever even knowing.
 
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NEOCON said:
I take it I started something and walked away without ever even knowing.
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Rest assured, you didn't do anything.

MG1968 said:
situation with the Japanese nuclear plants is getting serious.

BBC News - Japan earthquake: Explosion at Fukushima nuclear plant

these events will, of course, have the Obama administration point to the dangers of nuclear energy and thus enact a moratorium on the construction of any new nuclear power plants in the US.
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Terrible news and it seems it will only get worse. They can't cool the reactors without power. Word is that the explosion was a secondary containment chamber.
 
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MG1968 said:
situation with the Japanese nuclear plants is getting serious.

BBC News - Japan earthquake: Explosion at Fukushima nuclear plant

these events will, of course, have the Obama administration point to the dangers of nuclear energy and thus enact a moratorium on the construction of any new nuclear power plants in the US.
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The only good spin on this is that I understand that it is a lightwater reactor. No Chernobylesque explosion. That was probably a hydrogen/steam explosion. Heard it called the 2nd worst nuclear power disaster already. Not sure that can be accurately stated ATM. Still REALLY bad. Actually given an 8.9 quake, I am surprised that they didn't just crumble.
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JayVols said:
The only good spin on this is that I understand that it is a lightwater reactor. No Chernobylesque explosion. That was probably a hydrogen/steam explosion. Heard it called the 2nd worst nuclear power disaster already. Not sure that can be accurately stated ATM. Still REALLY bad. Actually given an 8.9 quake, I am surprised that they didn't just crumble.
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This could make the BP spill look like a walk in the park...
 
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MG1968 said:
situation with the Japanese nuclear plants is getting serious.

BBC News - Japan earthquake: Explosion at Fukushima nuclear plant

these events will, of course, have the Obama administration point to the dangers of nuclear energy and thus enact a moratorium on the construction of any new nuclear power plants in the US.
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Wow. This was news to me. Just when I get back on the nuclear bandwagon, something like this happens.

Captial has no historical memory and cannot project into the future. How can it plan for nuclear materials whose lethal bi-products will have to be dealt with by the next 1000 generations?

Most of them are built along the coasts too....

Man o' man. I feel kind of silly now pimping a nuclear renaissance during the Time of Capital. :stop:
 
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utgibbs said:
Wow. This was news to me. Just when I get back on the nuclear bandwagon, something like this happens.

Captial has no historical memory and cannot project into the future. How can it plan for nuclear materials whose lethal bi-products will have to be dealt with by the next 1000 generations?

Most of them are built along the coasts too....

Man o' man. I feel kind of silly now pimping a nuclear renaissance during the Time of Capital. :stop:
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Nuclear still makes sense,IMO. This disaster will provide valuable lessons on safety and even more redundancy in cooling. Don't jump off the bandwagon. Nuclear is still our fastest most practical solution for beginning our road to some semblance of energy independence. Just don't build the things in an area know for being the most seismically active in the world, known as the ring of fire. Is this a bad situation? Sure. But, as bad as it is, not ANYWHERE near Chernobyl.

That's my positive spin...

One concern I do have: how much" loose" material is gonna be out there for a dirty bomb. Kinda far fetched but there nonetheless (at least in my mind).
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Bad news. The chances that there has been at least a partial core meltdown just went way up. They also obviously lost secondary containment, so that's one less barrier in place. Just bad news.

Also, Jay, dont worry about dirty bomb material too much. It will take much higher local concentrations of radioactive material before anyone could really hope to wreak havoc by including it inside a dirty bomb. Let's just hope we don't get to those levels, for a lot of reasons.
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TennTradition said:
Bad news. The chances that there has been at least a partial core meltdown just went way up. They also obviously lost secondary containment, so that's one less barrier in place. Just bad news.

Also, Jay, dont worry about dirty bomb material too much. It will take much higher local concentrations of radioactive material before anyone could really hope to wreak havoc by including it inside a dirty bomb. Let's just hope we don't get to those levels, for a lot of reasons.
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Thanks for the info. It was just one of those nagging little 'gnat thoughts' fluttering in my brain. I REALLY don't mean this as bad as it will sound, HONESTLY. But, the Japanese do have experience dealing with nuclear cleanup somewhat. It is what it is, but it is not a doomsday scenario.
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The libs "Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Japan was playing with fire building nukes along the coast close to a major fault line

Southern Company is building a nuke down in south GA and I'm fine with that b/c not a whole lot happens in s.ga
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
The libs "Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Japan was playing with fire building nukes along the coast close to a major fault line

Southern Company is building a nuke down in south GA and I'm fine with that b/c not a whole lot happens in s.ga
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The libs will say that a Hurricane Hugo type storm will do just as much damage as as tsunami. :cray:
 
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The fact that this is in the political forum is bad enough. Some of you jackasses politicizing it is just ridiculous.
 
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emainvol said:
The fact that this is in the political forum is bad enough. Some of you jackasses politicizing it is just ridiculous.
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Whats the expected dead? 10,000 to 100,000? I just got around to this, was under a rock this weekend.
 
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emainvol said:
Not sure. I think they are expecting 10,000+
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I fear that in the end, that is extremely low. Read a story that was mentioned by a poster thatover 9,500 missing from a single city of 17,000. Absolutely awful is a gross understatement.
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JayVols said:
I fear that in the end, that is extremely low. Read a story that was mentioned by a poster thatover 9,500 missing from a single city of 17,000. Absolutely awful is a gross understatement.
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I read this morning that an entire city of 10k+ is missing.
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JayVols said:
I fear that in the end, that is extremely low. Read a story that was mentioned by a poster thatover 9,500 missing from a single city of 17,000. Absolutely awful is a gross understatement.
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That's why the lower-bound will end up being 10,000 lives lost. Hopefully that is the largest source of deaths and the final number stays in the lower tens-of-thousands. Crazy numbers, but what is incredible is just how dwarfed they are by the Indonesian tsunami. It shows what money and planning can do.
 
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TennTradition said:
That's why the lower-bound will end up being 10,000 lives lost. Hopefully that is the largest source of deaths and the final number stays in the lower tens-of-thousands. Crazy numbers, but what is incredible is just how dwarfed they are by the Indonesian tsunami. It shows what money and planning can do.
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Was the death toll over 300,000 in that one? I really have a hard time getting my head around these numbers. No words can accurately describe the tragedy of these events.
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JayVols said:
Was the death toll over 300,000 in that one? I really have a hard time getting my head around these numbers. No words can accurately describe the tragedy of these events.
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I think closer to 250,000. That was a stronger earthquake and larger tsunami, but there is doubt that the preparation in Japan kept their numbers smaller.
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TennTradition said:
I think closer to 250,000. That was a stronger earthquake and larger tsunami, but there is doubt that the preparation in Japan kept their numbers smaller.
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Agreed. Japan's rigid culture definately helped to keep it from being much worse than it is.
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