CBJ non commitment to any QB

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Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE fan of CBJ, but man is he ever non-committal on a particular QB. Maybe this is because

From his press conference:
Nate Peterman may be available: Really, have we not seen enough of Peterman. I honestly love the fact that Peterman is involved on the sidelines. He could be another Jim Bob Cooter, understanding the offense, assisting in calling in plays.

Justin Worley: Day by day. Believe CBJ is leaning to going with Justin if Justin 'says' he can go. Justin evidently told the staff he could go last Saturday and from what I heard on TV he didn't even warm up (probably did not want to tweak his thumb any more). All players are going to play down the extent of their injury for fear of losing their position. But how many times have you seen someone go in and play who hurt the team because they really should not have been in there in the first place?

Think it was a big time coaching error to go with a QB that CBJ admits had issues gripping the ball during the week of practice. That is disappointing particularly when you had a QB that stepped in and played as well or better than Justin.

Joshua Dobbs: CBJ thinks he has close to a photographic memory. He evidently knew the play book.

Riley Ferguson: It would be really dumb to burn his redshirt. Lets say that Riley is truly the better QB. Nothing to gain by putting him in at this point.

In the end running an offense like we want to run (mobile QB) we need 2 good QBs. It does not have to be an all or nothing proposition. The #2 QB is critical. In these type of offenses there is a higher risk of injury (Shaw, Driskel, Manziel, RG3! )

Maybe this is all coach speak and he does not want to show public commitment to any player to disparage anyone.

I certainly hope behind all of this he is thinking:

Not going to risk the game with Justin if he is banged up. Not going to burn another redshirt just to open up the QB competition (sure he will say it is all about competition, but strategically he is not going to burn a redshirt. He has made his mind up on this). Dobbs is our man on Saturday.

Just really frustrates me the staff knew that Justin had grip issues and they stuck him in there anyway. After that one ball came out of his hands without him being touched and Justin winced in pain he should have been pulled. Coach makes decision on who is in vs the player's pride ahead of what is best for the team.

Come on CBJ play the healthiest player who will make the fewest mistakes.
 
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CBJ is just trying to make the decisions that give his team the best opportunity to win. It's not an easy decision throwing in a true freshman against #1 Alabama on the road, it just isn't.
 
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"Think it was a big time coaching error to go with a QB that CBJ admits had issues gripping the ball during the week of practice. That is disappointing particularly when you had a QB that stepped in and played as well or better than Justin."

Stupid post. We wouldn't have been Bama Saturday if Manzel was QB. He didn't want to burn a year of eligibility for 1 game.
 
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It's hard to take threads like these seriously because you haven't watched a single practice. Hindsight is 20/20 on these situations. Let's just support whoever Butch decides on.
 
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CBJ said that he won't know the status on Justin until "probably Tuesday". It is safe to assume that he isn't practicing today and may not practice tomorrow. Worley isn't gonna play Saturday imo. All the praise and smiling he did while talking about josh just further hammered that home IMO.
 
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johnboyhunter said:
Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE fan of CBJ, but man is he ever non-committal on a particular QB. Maybe this is because

From his press conference:
Nate Peterman may be available: Really, have we not seen enough of Peterman. I honestly love the fact that Peterman is involved on the sidelines. He could be another Jim Bob Cooter, understanding the offense, assisting in calling in plays.

Justin Worley: Day by day. Believe CBJ is leaning to going with Justin if Justin 'says' he can go. Justin evidently told the staff he could go last Saturday and from what I heard on TV he didn't even warm up (probably did not want to tweak his thumb any more). All players are going to play down the extent of their injury for fear of losing their position. But how many times have you seen someone go in and play who hurt the team because they really should not have been in there in the first place?

Think it was a big time coaching error to go with a QB that CBJ admits had issues gripping the ball during the week of practice. That is disappointing particularly when you had a QB that stepped in and played as well or better than Justin.

Joshua Dobbs: CBJ thinks he has close to a photographic memory. He evidently knew the play book.

Riley Ferguson: It would be really dumb to burn his redshirt. Lets say that Riley is truly the better QB. Nothing to gain by putting him in at this point.

In the end running an offense like we want to run (mobile QB) we need 2 good QBs. It does not have to be an all or nothing proposition. The #2 QB is critical. In these type of offenses there is a higher risk of injury (Shaw, Driskel, Manziel, RG3! )

Maybe this is all coach speak and he does not want to show public commitment to any player to disparage anyone.

I certainly hope behind all of this he is thinking:

Not going to risk the game with Justin if he is banged up. Not going to burn another redshirt just to open up the QB competition (sure he will say it is all about competition, but strategically he is not going to burn a redshirt. He has made his mind up on this). Dobbs is our man on Saturday.

Just really frustrates me the staff knew that Justin had grip issues and they stuck him in there anyway. After that one ball came out of his hands without him being touched and Justin winced in pain he should have been pulled. Coach makes decision on who is in vs the player's pride ahead of what is best for the team.

Come on CBJ play the healthiest player who will make the fewest mistakes.
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Always easy to make tough decisions from the comfort of your moms basement.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
CBJ is just trying to make the decisions that give his team the best opportunity to win. It's not an easy decision throwing in a true freshman against #1 Alabama on the road, it just isn't.
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He probably ended Peterman's UT career by playing him too early with receivers that were pretty bad against UF's D. I'm not picking at the decision. He had the courage to make it... it just didn't work out.

It would have been foolish to do it with a true Fr at Bama unless absolutely necessary. You are right.
 
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VFL44 said:
If he picks Worley, I won't like it. But the coach knows more than I do.
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If Worley is healthy then he probably starts. Based on everything being said and reported... he probably isn't healthy.
 
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Eh, never a bad thing to make an opposing DC look at tape on three different QBs before a game. The fans don't need to know who the starting QB is come Saturday as long as the team does.
 
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bigorange247 said:
bUTch doesnt want mizzou to know who the qb will be. That is why he is noncommittal.
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Exactly right. If Worley is ready then I would not be totally surprised to see Dobbs get PT anyway to force the rest of UT's opponents to prepare for two guys instead of one.

Prep time is a premium. For that reason, I am very surprised more coaches don't use two QB's. Anything you do different with the second guy at a minimum sucks time away from preparing for the #1 guy.
 
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bigorange247 said:
bUTch doesnt want mizzou to know who the qb will be. That is why he is noncommittal.
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that's what I hope. Their defensive plan changes depending on the qb and Butch is making them have to prepare for both, which means the qb keeper and the deep ball are added concerns for mizzou now, which should open up other crowded areas
 
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omghulkhands said:
CBJ said that he won't know the status on Justin until "probably Tuesday". It is safe to assume that he isn't practicing today and may not practice tomorrow. Worley isn't gonna play Saturday imo. All the praise and smiling he did while talking about josh just further hammered that home IMO.
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Dobbs is his prized recruit from the 2013 class. He's been itching to start him, IMO, but he couldn't yank Worley without good reason (and without giving Peterman a chance as well).
 
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ShowSomePride said:
CBJ is just trying to make the decisions that give his team the best opportunity to win. It's not an easy decision throwing in a true freshman against #1 Alabama on the road, it just isn't.
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Correct. Fortunately, Dobbs did not have the kind of catastrophic performance that Peterman had on the road against Florida. Sometimes, that can leave irreparable scars on a young quarterback's psyche and confidence level.
 
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volKano said:
"Think it was a big time coaching error to go with a QB that CBJ admits had issues gripping the ball during the week of practice. That is disappointing particularly when you had a QB that stepped in and played as well or better than Justin."

Stupid post. We wouldn't have been Bama Saturday if Manzel was QB. He didn't want to burn a year of eligibility for 1 game.
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yeah, you are right. My whole post was stupid. All of our blood runs orange so there is no need to say that someone is stupid on here.

I do think it was a mistake to put in a QB that could not grip the ball, had to try several gloves, stick-em and whatever all week long, who could not warm up because of his hand. And after he let a pass slip out without being touched due to his hand to keep him in the game and have him throw another interception that was a Pick 6. How in the heck was that a stupid post?

Hindsight is 20/20, but bet knowing what CBJ knows now he may have started Worley but after that miserable pass due to Worley's hand issue he should have pulled him.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'll be flat out pissed.
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Come on... you're better than that. Jones will start the right guy. You have no reason to be angry unless you don't believe that Jones understands what he's doing more than you do.

Dobbs did some nice things but he did them against back ups after the game was out of hand. That's a completely different scenario than having everything on your shoulders. And what did Dobbs do that impressed you so much that you'll be "flat out pissed" if he doesn't start? He was 5/12 against Bama's back ups and threw into coverage in ways that he wouldn't get away with against their starters.

He DID look good moving around. He throws a nice ball with confidence. You can tell he's comfortable with his understanding and command of the O. For all those reasons I am excited about seeing him too. But I will support whoever Jones sends out there.
 
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Aesius said:
Dobbs is his prized recruit from the 2013 class. He's been itching to start him, IMO, but he couldn't yank Worley without good reason (and without giving Peterman a chance as well).
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He had good reason after he floated the wounded duck because he could not grip the ball. I would think the staff knew his hand was more of an issue before the game than they let on or else Worley would have been warming up prior to the game. How many times have you ever seen a QB or a pitcher not go through warmups?

IMO he made the decision to switch too late. Would not have meant we won the game. Didn't expect us to win the game. But when Worley had no zip on his passes and could not grip the ball he needed to come out.

I will give the benefit of the doubt that 'maybe' Worley tweaked it on that tackle.
 
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sjt18 said:
He was 5/12 against Bama's back ups and threw into coverage in ways that he wouldn't get away with against their starters.
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Should have been 7 of 12 or even 8 of 12 if it were not for obvious drops of balls that hit the players squarely on the #s. Came in did not need time to 'get in rhythm'. Remember couple of games this season where Justin was throwing either over their heads or at their feet. Guess best thing about those throws is that less likely to be intercepted, but also less likely to be receptions! I would rather someone give a receiver a chance to make a play versus a player who gives us less of a chance.
 
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sjt18 said:
Come on... you're better than that. Jones will start the right guy. You have no reason to be angry unless you don't believe that Jones understands what he's doing more than you do.

[B]Dobbs did some nice things but he did them against back ups after the game was out of hand. That's a completely different scenario than having everything on your shoulders. And what did Dobbs do that impressed you so much that you'll be "flat out pissed" if he doesn't start? He was 5/12 against Bama's back ups and threw into coverage in ways that he wouldn't get away with against their starters.[/B]

He DID look good moving around. He throws a nice ball with confidence. You can tell he's comfortable with his understanding and command of the O. For all those reasons I am excited about seeing him too. But I will support whoever Jones sends out there.
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Wrong, BAMA had their starters in up until 6 minutes to play and even then they were 50/50 starters and backups. Verne said it right on the broadcast clear as day for everyone to hear.
 
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