CBJ non commitment to any QB

#51
#51
We don't know what Worley's health will be on Saturday. There's no way to tell who will start yet.

We do not, but we can infer, and my inference is that regardless of health that Justin Worley will not start. The combination of factors weighs too heavily against him.
 
#52
#52
Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE fan of CBJ, but man is he ever non-committal on a particular QB. Maybe this is because

From his press conference:
Nate Peterman may be available: Really, have we not seen enough of Peterman. I honestly love the fact that Peterman is involved on the sidelines. He could be another Jim Bob Cooter, understanding the offense, assisting in calling in plays.

Justin Worley: Day by day. Believe CBJ is leaning to going with Justin if Justin 'says' he can go. Justin evidently told the staff he could go last Saturday and from what I heard on TV he didn't even warm up (probably did not want to tweak his thumb any more). All players are going to play down the extent of their injury for fear of losing their position. But how many times have you seen someone go in and play who hurt the team because they really should not have been in there in the first place?

Think it was a big time coaching error to go with a QB that CBJ admits had issues gripping the ball during the week of practice. That is disappointing particularly when you had a QB that stepped in and played as well or better than Justin.

Joshua Dobbs: CBJ thinks he has close to a photographic memory. He evidently knew the play book.

Riley Ferguson: It would be really dumb to burn his redshirt. Lets say that Riley is truly the better QB. Nothing to gain by putting him in at this point.

In the end running an offense like we want to run (mobile QB) we need 2 good QBs. It does not have to be an all or nothing proposition. The #2 QB is critical. In these type of offenses there is a higher risk of injury (Shaw, Driskel, Manziel, RG3! )

Maybe this is all coach speak and he does not want to show public commitment to any player to disparage anyone.

I certainly hope behind all of this he is thinking:

Not going to risk the game with Justin if he is banged up. Not going to burn another redshirt just to open up the QB competition (sure he will say it is all about competition, but strategically he is not going to burn a redshirt. He has made his mind up on this). Dobbs is our man on Saturday.

Just really frustrates me the staff knew that Justin had grip issues and they stuck him in there anyway. After that one ball came out of his hands without him being touched and Justin winced in pain he should have been pulled. Coach makes decision on who is in vs the player's pride ahead of what is best for the team.

Come on CBJ play the healthiest player who will make the fewest mistakes.

I agree with you. :loco:
 
#53
#53
bUTch doesnt want mizzou to know who the qb will be. That is why he is noncommittal.

If Mizzou is smart they will prepare for Dobbs. If they're right and Dobbs starts, they've prepared for him. If they're wrong and Worley starts, hey it's just Worley. No disrespect but Worley brings absolutely nothing to the table to create concern for Mizzou's defense.
 
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#54
#54
If Worley recovers and has success on Saturday then why would he lose his starting position to Dobbs for Auburn? Just trying to understand the logic.

I am not a Worley hater I appreciate what he has done. I actually thought he should be the starter while the young freshman QB's learned the system and adjusted to the SEC, but with all that being said The RS is gone for Dobbs. Dobbs has more upside and talent then Worley. I believe Dobbs knows the playbook now and gives the offense a different dynamic and with the RS already gone it is time to play him.

As far as what I meant about Worley having some success is him managing the game, not doing anything to lose the game but at some point you have to also be a play maker and be consistent. I know Someone will say SC game pass to North, Worley threw it up and gave North a chance to make the catch and North made one of the greatest catches in Tennessee Vols Football History but their is no consistency and Worley has become TO prong.

Also why would you think we see Ferguson on Saturday?

I believe you have to open up the competition and if he earns the chance to play he should play.

does not see logical to burn 2 redshirts if not needed. Let them compete for starting position in spring and fall camp. No rush to get Fergy in the game.

Really this not the 70's and 80's were red shirt seasons were prominent, if a kid is good then he leaves early for the NFL. Texas A & M red shirted Johnny Football so now instead of him playing 3 years he is most likely gone after this season after only playing 2 years. I do see the logic of red shirting kids but if they can play you better play them because RS or not they will leave after 3 years.
 
#55
#55
Really? Then guess none of us should share any opinion on this site and just say "whatever the coach does is the absolute right decision".

No need to be insulting. Ridiculous for someone to share an opinion and be ridiculed. You really think it was a wise decision to keep Justin in after the ball slipped out and it was an INT? And isn't it a valid point that sometimes players extend their play when injured when a healthy backup may be a better option?

Drop the insults. Very ridiculous to try to participate in a dialogue on here and have fans insulting each other.

Oh wait, you are correct... our coaching staff is always, always correct. They were correct to keep Peterman in the entire first half of Florida as well. I love CBJ, I just have an observation on the current situation.

And btw I have competed on a D1 level and was a 4 year letterman in 3 sports. Didn't do that from the comfort of your mom's couch, but your mom did show me her bedroom.

"Don't insult people on here...

... BTW I did your mom."

Yeah, that makes sense.
 
#56
#56
He had good reason after he floated the wounded duck because he could not grip the ball. I would think the staff knew his hand was more of an issue before the game than they let on or else Worley would have been warming up prior to the game. How many times have you ever seen a QB or a pitcher not go through warmups?

IMO he made the decision to switch too late. Would not have meant we won the game. Didn't expect us to win the game. But when Worley had no zip on his passes and could not grip the ball he needed to come out.

I will give the benefit of the doubt that 'maybe' Worley tweaked it on that tackle.
Worley did warm up throwing the ball dude.
 
#57
#57
Come on... you're better than that. Jones will start the right guy. You have no reason to be angry unless you don't believe that Jones understands what he's doing more than you do.

Dobbs did some nice things but he did them against back ups after the game was out of hand. That's a completely different scenario than having everything on your shoulders. And what did Dobbs do that impressed you so much that you'll be "flat out pissed" if he doesn't start? He was 5/12 against Bama's back ups and threw into coverage in ways that he wouldn't get away with against their starters.

He DID look good moving around. He throws a nice ball with confidence. You can tell he's comfortable with his understanding and command of the O. For all those reasons I am excited about seeing him too. But I will support whoever Jones sends out there.


In this instance, I'm not better. Our future is now and Worley has done his job to lead. Heed the thumb, which is the most important part of the hand, outside of the trigger finger and the bird, obviously. I understand 100% why Butch has made these qb decisions to date. I will not understand one bit if Dobbs isn't out there. He wasn't ready early. His accuracy has been his holdup, believe it or not. He appears to be ready now and other factors regarding locker room issues, young wrs, ne oline checks, etc, aren't a concern due to the events that led to Dobbs playing and being almost 3 months into practice.
 
#58
#58
I don't believe you should use the actual games to evaluate your QB's. At least not in the sense that you alternate running them out on the field and see which one does better! That's way too experimental and you're trying to win a damn ball game, not use it as practice to evaluate your QB's. You evaluate how your QB's do in practice and game film.

Really this not the 70's and 80's were red shirt seasons were prominent, if a kid is good then he leaves early for the NFL. Texas A & M red shirted Johnny Football so now instead of him playing 3 years he is most likely gone after this season after only playing 2 years. I do see the logic of red shirting kids but if they can play you better play them because RS or not they will leave after 3 years.

I agree somewhat with this. Most players worth a damn are gone in 3 anyway. Why waste time redshirting them? Get them on the field, get them experience, and maximize their production while they are here!
 
#59
#59
Dont agree with you often, but I do here. No reason to hold Dobbs back when, from what we have seen, gives us the best chance to win.


So I supported Dooley too long, yelled at people, and think EB could possibly give a donation to UT that covers several things. Everything else of 20k+ posts is indisputable.
I also still don't think many know when I'm kidding or serious, including me.
 
#60
#60
So I supported Dooley too long, yelled at people, and think EB could possibly give a donation to UT that covers several things. Everything else of 20k+ posts is indisputable.
I also still don't think many know when I'm kidding or serious, including me.


Like I said.................I agree with you here 100%
 
#61
#61
In this instance, I'm not better. Our future is now and Worley has done his job to lead. Heed the thumb, which is the most important part of the hand, outside of the trigger finger and the bird, obviously. I understand 100% why Butch has made these qb decisions to date. I will not understand one bit if Dobbs isn't out there. He wasn't ready early. His accuracy has been his holdup, believe it or not. He appears to be ready now and other factors regarding locker room issues, young wrs, ne oline checks, etc, aren't a concern due to the events that led to Dobbs playing and being almost 3 months into practice.

The problem is that you are selling Worley short after the guy had to endure not only his own growing pains but those of the WR's who at times have been nothing better than awful.

If Worley is hurt then Dobbs should start. If Jones really and truly believes Dobbs is ready right now to give them the best chance to win then he should start. If neither then Worley should start... and nothing there to be angry about. Let Jones do the job he's paid to do.
 
#62
#62
Really? Then guess none of us should share any opinion on this site and just say "whatever the coach does is the absolute right decision".

No need to be insulting. Ridiculous for someone to share an opinion and be ridiculed. You really think it was a wise decision to keep Justin in after the ball slipped out and it was an INT? And isn't it a valid point that sometimes players extend their play when injured when a healthy backup may be a better option?

Drop the insults. Very ridiculous to try to participate in a dialogue on here and have fans insulting each other.

Oh wait, you are correct... our coaching staff is always, always correct. They were correct to keep Peterman in the entire first half of Florida as well. I love CBJ, I just have an observation on the current situation.

And btw I have competed on a D1 level and was a 4 year letterman in 3 sports. Didn't do that from the comfort of your mom's couch, but your mom did show me her bedroom.

Thank you very much. My mom is 80 and since my dad passed away 17 years ago she hasn't gotten much. I hope it was as good for you as I know it was for her. 80 year old bedding a young D1 football stud. Way to go mom!!! :dance2:
 
#63
#63
Eh, never a bad thing to make an opposing DC look at tape on three different QBs before a game. The fans don't need to know who the starting QB is come Saturday as long as the team does.

I also like the idea of Mizzo not exactly knowing how to prepare their defensive schemes for us.
 
#64
#64
The problem is that you are selling Worley short after the guy had to endure not only his own growing pains but those of the WR's who at times have been nothing better than awful.

If Worley is hurt then Dobbs should start. If Jones really and truly believes Dobbs is ready right now to give them the best chance to win then he should start. If neither then Worley should start... and nothing there to be angry about. Let Jones do the job he's paid to do.


I'm not selling Worley short man. I've oversold him from the onset. Argued that his arm wasn't as weak as others thought and took a beating, and I still don't think he has a weak arm when he steps into a throw. Argued that timing with young wr's would get better as the season went on. Understand 100% how hard it's been with another new system, new checks, and especially new wr's.
It's time. That's all. Worley isn't accurate in games and the read option isn't a good offense for him. It is for Dobbs, and since the rs had to be pulled, the time is now. When **** happens, you adapt or die. Our future is dead with Worley, who is a tough kid and I appreciate what he did.
 
#68
#68
he's scared to run. Can't have a qb in the read option that doesn't want to keep the ball.

I don't think so. I think they told him not to run because they did not have a back up. They were trying to save the RS's instead.

To me that makes far more sense than Jones allowing him to pass up one wide open run after another.

When he ran, he didn't avoid contact either....
 
#70
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I don't think so. I think they told him not to run because they did not have a back up. They were trying to save the RS's instead.

To me that makes far more sense than Jones allowing him to pass up one wide open run after another.

When he ran, he didn't avoid contact either....


that's crazy to me to think Butch would hamstring an already hamstrung offense and run a zone read offense while telling the qb never to keep it. That's akin to running the triple option and handing it to the fb everytime, imo.
 
#71
#71
that's crazy to me to think Butch would hamstring an already hamstrung offense and run a zone read offense while telling the qb never to keep it. That's akin to running the triple option and handing it to the fb everytime, imo.

If it is not what happened then they flat out failed to coach him all year because he has had running lanes many times in every game. I think they were protecting his health in part because Jones did not want to add a freshman QB to an O already as young as this one and I think he wanted to RS both.

Tough deal for Worley considering some of the rumors now flying. He may well have turned a minor injury into something requiring surgery by going back out that last time.
 
#72
#72
Another small thing that could be meaningful.... Worley sprinted 5 or 10 yds in the open on many of those plays after handing off... like he was trying to tell D's that he had a running lane.
 
#74
#74
Thank you very much. My mom is 80 and since my dad passed away 17 years ago she hasn't gotten much. I hope it was as good for you as I know it was for her. 80 year old bedding a young D1 football stud. Way to go mom!!! :dance2:

Wasn't football. But when you make comments that supposes I'm just some poster that still lives with my mom etc and doesn't understand anything about what goes on at that level.. it is very childish akin to name calling. What are you in the 3RD grade. Next thing yor going to tell me your dad can beat up my dad. Dude, grow up. Unnecessary. . And you began this by hurling unnecessary insults. Not sure why you had to go there to try to insult another fellow fan just because you did not agree with my opinion. Just disagree gracefully. I'm just dishing back what you started.

If you look at any of my post I don't engage in such behavior. This was first time based on your initial insult.

The very purpose of sites like this is for fans to Monday morning quarterback, complain, dialogue.
 
#75
#75
Another small thing that could be meaningful.... Worley sprinted 5 or 10 yds in the open on many of those plays after handing off... like he was trying to tell D's that he had a running lane.


why would they care if he only takes off once a game. You give him that one time that he might and send all your lb's at the rb. Akin to giving a bad shooter an open 3.
 

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