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This you know: Auburn went 13-0 last year, plowed through the SEC and couldn't sniff even a shot at a national title. Coach Tommy Tuberville was reduced to working the press box at the Orange Bowl hoping to lobby voters for last-minute support while USC made the point moot out on the field.

This you didn't know: Some of the Tigers' biggest sympathizers were down the road in Tuscaloosa -- or should have been.

"We knew exactly how they were feeling," said Philip Shanks, a 55-year-old born-and-bred 'Bama grad. "We knew precisely what they were going through."

That's because one of the most heinous ripoffs in poll history has nothing to do with the BCS. It is 39 years old this year and is as fresh in the minds of 'Bama Nation as last night's dinner.

"There were literally people marching in the streets," said Shanks, now an attorney in Decatur, Ala., who was a senior in high school back in 1966. "We felt like we'd been robbed."

USC is going for an unprecedented third national championship this season. The obstacles are significant. Computers, voters, injuries, upsets. But Alabama sealed the deal in '66.

No program has come as close to a three-peat. No program was more deserving. After consecutive AP wire service titles in 1964 and 1965, the Crimson Tide started as the preseason AP No. 1 for the first time in its history in '66. They went 11-0 while shutting out six opponents, allowing only 44 points all season. Nebraska fell by 27 in the Orange Bowl.

And Alabama finished with a No. 3 ranking.

Almost four decades later, Alabama fans old enough to remember are still incredulous. Ten players who were, or would become, All-Americans lettered on that team. There were 14 such all-SEC players. It was the 'Bama of Ken Stabler and Ray Perkins.

Third!

"He was so diplomatic, he wouldn't go public," said former 'Bama assistant Clem Gryska of Bryant. "He thought they should have won."

True, it was a different time, more civil, even if there were fewer civil rights -- a key point in the discussion. Some of the poll craziness was just accepted back then. Coaches would call each other and arrange major bowl games. The closest Bryant came to speaking out was this dry appraisal of the Michigan State-Notre Dame 10-10 tie that year that "clinched" the title for the Irish

"At Alabama, we teach our men to win," Bryant said after watching Notre Dame sit on the ball instead of go for the win late in the game.

The reasons for the 'Bama snub are only hinted at: The voting media seemingly got caught up in the Michigan State-Notre Dame phenomenon that produced "The Game of the Century."

Back then Notre Dame didn't play in bowl games, so coach Ara Parseghian knew if he sat on the ball late in the game, his team's No. 1 ranking only had to survive the USC game the next week. The Irish won, of course, 51-0. And you thought the BCS was unfair.

"I was absolutely outraged," Shanks said. "People in my class were outraged. We haven't gotten over it since. It still bothers us. If we'd won it, we would have been the first team to win three in a row."

Turns out another kind of outrage might have been working. It played itself out on TV every night on the nightly news. No one can say for sure if The Movement crossed paths with The Polls, but Shanks certainly thinks so.

"I'm awful afraid politics got involved in it," said Shanks, who is writing a history of Alabama football. "Alabama was not getting a lot of (good) publicity back then. (Former governor) George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door. We had an all-white team.

"I was living through it here, every night on TV. It was embarrassing, we hated for that to impact our football team."

In the fall of 1966, the civil rights movement was in full flower changing a state, a nation and minds. Alabama was its stage. No one can say for sure but for one season, it seems that the noble struggle for equal rights and football intermingled.

Was Alabama the football team punished in the polls for being Alabama, the state of intolerance?

"Coach Bryant told us the fact that we didn't have any votes on the East Coast was his fault," said Jim Fuller, a defensive tackle on that '66 team. "We didn't have the integration of the other teams. He said, 'I'll never let that happen again.'"

In the Alabama program, 1970 is given as the pivotal year for integration.

Sam Cunningham scored two touchdowns for USC in Tuscaloosa that year and, as legend has it, changed Bear's mind about the black athlete. But, reportedly, every SEC team except LSU and Ole Miss had at least one black player that year. Crimson Tide already had future star Wilbur Jackson on scholarship in 1970.

The Tide already had started to turn. The real turning point might have been 1966. Fuller has been quoted as saying Bryant apologized to the coaches and players -- saying he should have scheduled tougher teams -- for the lack of African-Americans on the team.

"You win back to back national championships and come back out and win all your games and you don't get it?" Fuller said. "Coach Bryant didn't make any excuses or whine or complain."

That's left to a generation of Crimson Tide fans.

"It just hard to swallow 40 years later," Shanks said. "That team is my No. 1 Alabama team."

Just not the voters'.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Jul 14, 2005 4:10 PM
:dlol:  :dlol:  :dlol:  :neener:  :neener:  :neener:  :eek:lol:  :eek:lol:  :eek:lol:
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have some respect man.
 
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Originally posted by GOT TWELVE?@Jul 14, 2005 5:57 PM
have some respect man.
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For Bammer?? NEVER! Go to the bama board and see Fulmer dressed up as, and compared to , Hitler and then come back and talk to me.

Bear Bryant could have had a bigger affect on civil rights in Alabama than George Wallace but he chose not to. We are a democratic society and the voters just voiced their opinions. Amazing how Tuberville is a whiner but bammer got robbed :dlol:

:bammer:
 
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Bama was screwed that year and yes I believe that the civil rights movement had everything to do with it.
 
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I think the FBI, CIA, NCAA, AARP, NASA, and Phillip Fulmer conspired to rip of the Tuscalosers...
 
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Hey "got twelve".........Do you realize that some of those "12" are 4th place finishes and 2 loss seasons??
Now, because of Bama, Vandy has actually gone back and "claimed" Nat'l championships when they played about 4 games.
Bama, what a renegade, has been, self glorified, worthless program.
 
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its amazing how people with common football knowledge respect alabama, while others just bash away at any given chance. i respect what ut has done with fulmer at the helm, and i also believe ut is going to make some noise this year in the title race. i dont wash away facts with hatred. i know how dangerous ut is going to be this year, so start a pissing contest with someone else.
 
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Originally posted by GOT TWELVE?@Jul 14, 2005 9:43 PM
so start a pissing contest with someone else.
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Mine lasted 16 seconds. Who got that beat?

Or are we going for distance?
 
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I think they were ripped off also. Couldn't have happened to a better school, though.
 
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I'm not disrespecting bama. But I know good and damn well they have 6 Nat'l Ships and they should be proud of it. Before 1992 they had 5, so I wanna know how in the world Mike DuBose won 6 Nat'l championships. The other 6 are legitimate. This is what I think about the ones you claim: :moon2: :gun: "12"
Tennessee has 2 National Championships: 1951 and 1998. You still have more than us. So take it and be happy. We were robbed in 1939, unscored upon. Only time in NCAA history. But we didn't win a Nat'l ship. However, because of Bama's nonsense, we now have to claim crap like that for recruiting purposes.
All of that said, Hope you have a great day. ;)
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Jul 15, 2005 5:08 PM
I'm not disrespecting bama. But I know good and damn well they have 6 Nat'l Ships and they should be proud of it. Before 1992 they had 5, so I wanna know how in the world Mike DuBose won 6 Nat'l championships. The other 6 are legitimate. This is what I think about the ones you claim:  :moon2:  :gun: "12"
Tennessee has 2 National Championships: 1951 and 1998. You still have more than us. So take it and be happy. We were robbed in 1939, unscored upon. Only time in NCAA history. But we didn't win a Nat'l ship. However, because of Bama's nonsense, we now have to claim crap like that for recruiting purposes.
All of that said, Hope you have a great day.  ;)
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actually we have 17, 12 of wich are sanctioned. have a great day yourself. :D
 
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Originally posted by GOT TWELVE?@Jul 15, 2005 6:12 PM
actually we have 17, 12 of wich are sanctioned. have a great day yourself. :D
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1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992.

Only in Alabama could 11 become 12.
 
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Lifes to short. What happan, has happened good or bad. It's done and over with (HISTORY). Can we just play football. The UT AL rivalry is losing alot of prestige because of all this mess. I'm just happy football season is approaching!


"IF 'IFS, ANDS OR BUTS' WERE CANDY AND NUTS"
 
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I say piss on the TN-Alabama rivalry. I don't care about it. Screw the history and all that. I don't want to waste our time even playing them anymore because of their random lawsuits and 5,969 national championships. I say put it on the rotation with the other SEC West teams and only play them twice every ten years. The rivalry, history, whatever...I don't care...I don't really give a crap... :thefinger:
 
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Originally posted by GoVolsDogg@Jul 15, 2005 5:38 PM
1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992.

Only in Alabama could 11 become 12.
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1941
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Jul 15, 2005 9:58 PM
I say piss on the TN-Alabama rivalry. I don't care about it. Screw the history and all that. I don't want to waste our time even playing them anymore because of their random lawsuits and 5,969 national championships. I say put it on the rotation with the other SEC West teams and only play them twice every ten years. The rivalry, history, whatever...I don't care...I don't really give a crap... :thefinger:
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shows your true colors....green
 
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I ran across this once upon a time and saved it...care to comment?

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

From College Football Data Warehouse

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

Links:
History of Polls
Polling Systems 1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933! 1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!
1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year.
1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. One poll didn't give it to Bama though. 1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games.1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.
1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.
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