Chavis told Miles he's getting Fulmered

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Former LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis warned Les Miles that a provision added to assistant coaches’ contracts — dubbed the “Les Miles clause” — was the university’s first step toward getting rid of the head coach.

“This kind of reminds me of Phillip Fulmer,” Chavis told Miles in November 2014.

That’s according to a deposition Miles gave in the ongoing legal fight between Chavis, now Texas A&M’s defensive coordinator, and LSU, his former employer.
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Before leaving LSU in December 2014, Chavis told people that LSU’s treatment of Miles — and the “Les Miles clause” — was a sign the school planned to fire the coach in the same unceremonious fashion Tennessee fired Fulmer in 2008. The "Les Miles clause" ties assistants to Miles. If he is fired or resigns, LSU staff members’ contracts won’t be fully honored. A similar clause appeared in the contracts of Tennessee assistants — including Chavis, then UT’s defensive coordinator.
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Per deposition, John Chavis told Les Miles: They're doing you like Tennessee did Phillip Fulmer | LSU | theadvocate.com
 
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Well I hope that clause isn't in his TAM contract. Sumlin isn't going to last too much longer himself. In fact, after last season's fiasco with Miles I dare say Sumlin will be fired first.
 
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TNnative said:
When you have been through that once, you learn to read the writing on the wall. Now we know why jumping to A&M looked so good to him.
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Chavis is a whiner; plain and simple. Did we plan to fire his buddy before or after giving his buddy a long term extension 9 months prior to his firing? There was no writing on the wall with Fulmer, absolutely no one foresaw his firing in August 2008. The ineptitude that unfolded on the field that year, starting with Chavis's defensive meltdown vs UCLA, caused Hamilton to (over)react and cost us $7M.
 
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coaches get me. they want big $, complete authority and unlimited security.....and if the results aren't there, then shame on the school for making a change.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Chavis is a whiner; plain and simple. Did we plan to fire his buddy before or after giving his buddy a long term extension 9 months prior to his firing? There was no writing on the wall with Fulmer, absolutely no one foresaw his firing in August 2008. The ineptitude that unfolded on the field that year, starting with Chavis's defensive meltdown vs UCLA, caused Hamilton to (over)react and cost us $7M.
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Boom.
 
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Well, perhaps the timing wasn't good in terms of his contract, but Fulmer needed to be sacked. The program had been sliding pretty dramatically, the staff was old and stale, and a change was needed.
 
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armchair said:
Well, perhaps the timing wasn't good in terms of his contract, but Fulmer needed to be sacked. The program had been sliding pretty dramatically, the staff was old and stale, and a change was needed.
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True, but better than what we ended up with during the Doofus debacle. We have CBJ now and are back on the right path after suffering through the worst years ever in the history of Tennessee football. Wish we could have avoided the Kiffus epoch, but hose years are behind us now. I do think Kiffy might could have made us a good coach if he had been older and more mature. When he gets his next shot post Bama he may be pretty freaking good as a HC.
 
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"Chavis told Miles he's getting Fulmered"

What's he telling Sumlin now? You're about to get Rick Rolled. :)

Seriously, Chavis did pretty good at a LSU but he majorly screwed up his own exit. imo Nothing wrong with leaving, nothing wrong with demanding clauses in a contract, but you have to finish up the current one first.
 
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TNnative said:
When you have been through that once, you learn to read the writing on the wall. Now we know why jumping to A&M looked so good to him.
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True and Chief knows and understands he's really not in the football business, he's in the winning business. You can be the best coach, best teacher of young men, best recruiter with best talent, have the best facilities, and yo donkey cannot win ... you gotta go. Coaches and their staffs inherently want it to be more about all the intangibles other than winning, but reality is win or begone with you. Fulmer fulmered himself, UT cannot and will not tolerate mediocre football and an inferior product on the field very long. We went too long with him because we loved Phil Fulmer and still do but make no mistake he took us to the mountaintop and then watched it slide downhill. Working like heck to correct it was not working and we suffered to wackjobs behind him trying to get things aright.
 
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ALLVOL24/7/365 said:
True, but better than what we ended up with during the Doofus debacle. We have CBJ now and are back on the right path after suffering through the worst years ever in the history of Tennessee football. Wish we could have avoided the Kiffus epoch, but hose years are behind us now. I do think Kiffy might could have made us a good coach if he had been older and more mature. When he gets his next shot post Bama he may be pretty freaking good as a HC.
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I would not put money on Kiffin. If he were a HC, which is the overseer of a program again, I have no doubt the NCAA will be watching him closely. He will bend or break rules as he sees fit. Any program that hires him as a HC is begging for sanctions.
 
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I don't think Kiffin will be so brash at his next HC job. Lets get one thing straight, I don't like Kiffin but when he was here, a lot of his actions were directly related to his immaturity and I really believe that the only coaching job he would have left Tennessee for, would have been for USC. I can see him having a coaching style similar to Urban Meyer moving foward. Most of us would agree that Urban is a prick too, but he does have success on the field.
 
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