Chip Kelley vs Dan Mullen

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I am a little surprised Kelly and UCLA have not been a better fit. In theory it seemed like a good match.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
Kelley was always overrated imo. His coaching style would not work in the SEC.
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Nor anywhere else these days. The Bruins look like they had trouble wrapping up all night and in general, looked bad on the LOS. Kelly's teams are struggling with the same problems as year one.

It's amazing how many head coaches they've hired lately that have won big somewhere else and they get to UCLA and just fall flat.
 
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Chip hasn't evolved. And as others have mentioned, coaches know what they need to do to stop his offense. Doesn't help when your QB cannot hold onto the ball though.
 
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I'd give Chip a little more time before jumping to conclusions, but yes, I was expecting him to open up year 2 with a win.

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The thing people forget about Kelly is that at Oregon he didn't have to really build anything. Bellotti handed him a good program and he took it to another level.

Twice in the NFL and now at UCLA, he has been tasked with building/rebuilding something, and perhaps he's ill-suited for doing so.
 
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05_never_again said:
The thing people forget about Kelly is that at Oregon he didn't have to really build anything. Bellotti handed him a good program and he took it to another level.

Twice in the NFL and now at UCLA, he has been tasked with building/rebuilding something, and perhaps he's ill-suited for doing so.
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Needs to recruit a quarterback that doesn't turn the ball over every other play.
 
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butchna said:
Or hire a coach that can teach him not to. 😏
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Thing is...I think he is capable of that. I think in all likelihood his post-Oregon struggles are probably caused by 1) he isn't a program rebuilder and 2) his particular brand of offense, while innovative in the early 2010s, is mainstream or perhaps even outdated today. It certainly has been imitated and improved upon. Seemingly everybody runs some type of hurry up offense and uses zone reads.

Kelly was never much of a recruiter, even at Oregon. Even Mariota was a lightly-recruited 3-star who didn't receive offers from any other Pac 12 schools. He's always been a do-more-with-less guy. If you're trying to rebuild, that approach might be a problem.
 
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05_never_again said:
Thing is...I think he is capable of that. I think in all likelihood his post-Oregon struggles are probably caused by 1) he isn't a program rebuilder and 2) his particular brand of offense, while innovative in the early 2010s, is mainstream or perhaps even outdated today. It certainly has been imitated and improved upon. Seemingly everybody runs some type of hurry up offense and uses zone reads.

Kelly was never much of a recruiter, even at Oregon. Even Mariota was a lightly-recruited 3-star who didn't receive offers from any other Pac 12 schools. He's always been a do-more-with-less guy. If you're trying to rebuild, that approach might be a problem.
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What is weird watching UCLA is how much under center stuff he is running now. I don't remember Oregon ever going under center. So now he's running this weird, hybrid NFL/zone read offense with all these shifts and it just doesn't make any sense.

I feel like if he would just run his Oregon scheme and run it better than everyone else he would have more success.
 
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05_never_again said:
Thing is...I think he is capable of that. I think in all likelihood his post-Oregon struggles are probably caused by 1) he isn't a program rebuilder and 2) his particular brand of offense, while innovative in the early 2010s, is mainstream or perhaps even outdated today. It certainly has been imitated and improved upon. Seemingly everybody runs some type of hurry up offense and uses zone reads.

Kelly was never much of a recruiter, even at Oregon. Even Mariota was a lightly-recruited 3-star who didn't receive offers from any other Pac 12 schools. He's always been a do-more-with-less guy. If you're trying to rebuild, that approach might be a problem.
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He had Scott Frost at Oregon to bump up what Belotti left him. He didn’t really have “less”. He was a long time assistant at New Hampshire...never a HC. Perfect storm at Oregon with a gimmick scheme and gifted athletes. You always have to adjust to the ones that adjust to you...he never has.
 
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butchna said:
He had Scott Frost at Oregon to bump up what Belotti left him. He didn’t really have “less”. He was a long time assistant at New Hampshire...never a HC. Perfect storm at Oregon with a gimmick scheme and gifted athletes. You always have to adjust to the ones that adjust to you...he never has.
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I meant he had "less" in terms of where his recruiting classes were ranked. Kelly's classes were ranked 30th, 12th, 12th, and 14th nationally. He never even had a class ranked #1 in the Pac 12. He played for a title in 2010, was a game away from playing for another one in 2012, won the Pac 12 every year he was there, and never ended a season ranked outside the top 11 in the country; he overachieved from what his recruiting classes would indicate, hence doing more with less.
 
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05_never_again said:
I meant he had "less" in terms of where his recruiting classes were ranked. Kelly's classes were ranked 30th, 12th, 12th, and 14th nationally. He never even had a class ranked #1 in the Pac 12. He played for a title in 2010, was a game away from playing for another one in 2012, won the Pac 12 every year he was there, and never ended a season ranked outside the top 11 in the country; he overachieved from what his recruiting classes would indicate, hence doing more with less.
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His class is currently ranked 66th...after finishing about 40th last cycle. Think he wouldn’t kill to have top 15 talent? Frost and Helfrich kept him stocked after Belotti left him a very good cupboard. That program was built on California athletes where a 3 star is pretty salty. Don’t buy the narrative that team was coached up beyond their talent just because Mariotti was a hidden gem.
 
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butchna said:
He had Scott Frost at Oregon to bump up what Belotti left him. He didn’t really have “less”. He was a long time assistant at New Hampshire...never a HC. Perfect storm at Oregon with a gimmick scheme and gifted athletes. You always have to adjust to the ones that adjust to you...he never has.
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Scott Frost was a WR coach during his time with Kelly. You can argue his staff bumped him up (it was a good one) I highly doubt Scott Frost was the mastermind behind Kelly’s success at Oregon.
 
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05_never_again said:
The thing people forget about Kelly is that at Oregon he didn't have to really build anything. Bellotti handed him a good program and he took it to another level.

Twice in the NFL and now at UCLA, he has been tasked with building/rebuilding something, and perhaps he's ill-suited for doing so.
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I wouldn’t give up on Kelly at UCLA so soon but yes this is definitely a good point. In Philly he had a good situation. In San Fran he didn’t (which wasn’t his fault at all), and it fell apart quick.
 
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zjcvols said:
Scott Frost was a WR coach during his time with Kelly. You can argue his staff bumped him up (it was a good one) I highly doubt Scott Frost was the mastermind behind Kelly’s success at Oregon.
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Oh? And Niedermeyer’s a TE’s coach...any other points?
 
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Rodney Garner’s a DL coach...why was he ever a big deal? 😉
 
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Nah, man, has anyone heard the last five coaches for UCLA talk about recruiting there? It seems as though most have said the administrations were going to improve facilities but have not. Not sure IIRC the UCLA coach during Kiffins tenure here and at USC (was it Neuishel?) but even he said as much going out the door.

Like that old saying, "You gotta pay to play".
 
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XknoxvolsX said:
Nah, man, has anyone heard the last five coaches for UCLA talk about recruiting there? It seems as though most have said the administrations were going to improve facilities but have not. Not sure IIRC the UCLA coach during Kiffins tenure here and at USC (was it Neuishel?) but even he said as much going out the door.

Like that old saying, "You gotta pay to play".
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Mora had some good classes. UCLA should be able to recruit itself...but it does require a pulse from the head guy.
 
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butchna said:
Mora had some good classes. UCLA should be able to recruit itself...but it does require a pulse from the head guy.
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Cali has lots of talent. Maybe not as much as Texas and Florida but it does exist out there. Bot USC and UCLA should be good year in and year out. UCLA should have been much better over the years.
 
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Football Scoop reported meetings occurred at UCLA this week and it’s possible there could be changes coming. Chip’s buyout is $9M. If he leaves in his own, he owes them $9M.
 
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Chip must be wondering how he got so far off the rails. His last 3 seasons as a head coach he's won a total of 9 games.

The broadcast booth and a fat buy-out is probably looking pretty appealing.
 
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