Claims those evil Syrians have been torturing people..., For the United States

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There are claims that one of The Axis of Evil Junior members, Syria, have been helping us torture prisoners because it's illegal to do it on US soil.

Three Canadian men of Middle Eastern origin who say they were imprisoned and tortured in Syria are demanding an independent inquiry into their allegations.

The three — Muayyed Nureddin, Abdullah Almalki and Ahmad El Maati — told a news conference in Ottawa on Thursday that the federal government must follow the recommendations of Justice Dennis O'Connor, who investigated the case of Maher Arar.

Arar was arrested by U.S. authorities in September of 2002 and taken to Syria where he was interrogated and tortured for nearly a year.

O'Connor said Canadian officials had shared faulty information about Arar with the United States and Syria, and recommended that all such allegations be probed by an independent investigator.

Almalki — like Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian citizen — told reporters that while spending 22 months in Syrian custody, their officials told him Canada had supplied information suggesting he was a terrorist.

"It was interrogation and torture by proxy," he said, "I was imprisoned at the behest of the Canadian government."

Even though he is now free and back home in Canada, Almalki said, his family lives in constant fear that he might be re-arrested or kidnapped.

"Someone has to clear our names," he said.

Amnesty International is supporting the men's demands.
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I can't believe I even have to ask this but is it okay for our government to outsource torture? Especially since the country doing it is supposed to be one of the "evil doers"?
 
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There goes our credibility. We call someone a part of the Axis of Evil and a supporter of terrorism but we get them to do some dirty work....hmmm.
 
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It does make your kinda wonder what is going on behind closed doors on all levels our of government.

Someone needs to pull a Cromwell and establish a Lord Protector.......
 
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How much do we know about the accuracy of this story.

Do we automatically believe that we have this type of relationship with Syria?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
There goes our credibility. We call someone a part of the Axis of Evil and a supporter of terrorism but we get them to do some dirty work....hmmm.
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There goes our credibility? Three Muslim men come forward and claim they were tortured in Syria on behalf of the U.S., and there goes our credibility? No inquiry into the credibility of these men, because we know that every single person who resides outside of the U.S. never lies.

The administration never called Syria part of the 'Axis of Evil.'

Further, just because Syria might be a little more prone to torture than most western states, does not mean that this man was 'tortured,' in the traditional sense. Of course, many people freely throw the word around these days, as an incident not even worthy of USMA hazing was declared 'torture' at Abu Ghraib.

Since Americans are failing to provide the media enough use of the word 'massacre', as our forces provided in Vietnam, torture has become the 'hot' word to express displeasure with the current operation in Iraq.
 
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I have been trying to find another news source about this story, still have not found any thing.
 
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No source I have viewed has any detail about what actually happened to these men in Syria, other than the that they were detained.

I would not be surprised if there is a huge liberal uproar over this though. Amnesty International actually considered the conditions in at GITMO to be inhumane. Apparently, Amnesty International has never set foot in Malawi, Iraq, where the residents actually in huts constructed out of the garbage that is the garbage dump they live in...literally.

*My use of literal is spot on. Most of Malawi is a large waste dumping site for surrounding towns. The villagers actually live within the dump site.
 
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Group Wants Probes Into Detainees' Cases - washingtonpost.com

OTTAWA -- Amnesty International on Thursday demanded the Canadian government launch independent investigations into the cases of three Muslim citizens who were detained and allegedly tortured in Syria while being interrogated about terrorist ties.
The human rights group also demanded that recommendations by a federal commission that reviewed the case of Maher Arar be quickly implemented. His case was not among the three Amnesty called on to be investigated.
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Three Canadians want review of jailing, torture in Syria - Yahoo! News

OTTAWA (AFP) - Three Canadians suspected of Al-Qaeda links said that Canadian officials were complicit in their arrests and alleged torture in Syria, and demanded public review of their cases.
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Ahmad El Maati, Abdullah Almalki and Muayyed Nureddin, born in Kuwait, Syria and Iraq, respectively, were detained by Syrian Military Intelligence during trips abroad from 2001 to 2004
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3 Canadians want review of jailing, torture in Syria - Region - Middle East Times

OTTAWA -- Three Canadians suspected of Al Qaeda links said Thursday that Canadian officials were complicit in their arrests and alleged torture in Syria, and demanded public review of their cases.

Ahmad El Maati, Abdullah Almalki, and Muayyed Nureddin, born in Kuwait, Syria, and Iraq, respectively, were detained by Syrian Military Intelligence during trips abroad from 2001 to 2004.

Each claimed upon return to Canada that he had been tortured by the Syrians and that Canadian security officials had supplied the Syrians with intelligence and questions to pose the detainees.
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most likely a PR stunt. I've never been in any kind of jail, but something tells me that once you enter a Syrian prison, you don't walk out of one a whole person, if at all.
 
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On May 6, 2002 United States Under Secretary of State John R. Bolton (now U.N. Ambassador) gave a speech entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil." In it he added three more nations to be grouped with the already mentioned "rogue states": Libya, Syria, and Cuba. The criteria for membership in this group were: "state sponsors of terrorism that are pursuing or who have the potential to pursue weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or have the capability to do so in violation of their treaty obligations." The speech was widely reported as an expansion of the original Axis of Evil.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
On May 6, 2002 United States Under Secretary of State John R. Bolton (now U.N. Ambassador) gave a speech entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil." In it he added three more nations to be grouped with the already mentioned "rogue states": Libya, Syria, and Cuba. The criteria for membership in this group were: "state sponsors of terrorism that are pursuing or who have the potential to pursue weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or have the capability to do so in violation of their treaty obligations." The speech was widely reported as an expansion of the original Axis of Evil.
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In that speech, he never once referred to Syria as part of the Axis of Evil...
 
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haven't there been suspicions of this going on for a while now? for some reason this story just didn't seem new or surprising to me.
 
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