Class-Action Suit Over NCAA Transfer Rules

[bamawriter]

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If the NCAA refuses to get out of its own way, then these lawsuits are going to keep coming, and the NCAA is going to keep losing.

 

[LouderVol]

depends a lot on the school. I know a number of universities have built in policies that limit player transfer.

which are frequently criticized publicly due to the perception of a double standard since coaches and administrators can leave without penalty.

usually when coaches leave there are multi million dollar buy outs. so no penalties is a stretch.

By requiring transfer players to sit out a year, the NCAA and its schools have “contracted, combined and conspired to fix, depress or stabilize the amount, terms and conditions” of scholarship aid to class members, the lawsuit states. “The NCAA cannot justify its conduct as necessary to preserve education or amateurism,” Pugh's lawyers wrote.

pretty sure the schools dont have to give out scholarships. and considering its the schools money they should have a say in who gets it. there are known conditions to any contract.

Also, the suit notes that junior college transfers and freshman can play immediately without sitting out due to academics.

if they meet the qualifications.

what they are arguing against really is that they don't like the qualifications set on them, not that there are qualifications.

 

[bamawriter]

what they are arguing against really is that they don't like the qualifications set on them, not that there are qualifications.

No. What they are arguing is that the qualifications violate anti-trust laws.

The NCAA's own argument that the one-year rule allows the players a period to adjust to their new school is completely blown up by the fact that they don't require the sit-out year if the player steps down a level. Whether or not the athletic competition is similar, there is no difference in the "adjustment" required whether you transfer to Eastern Michigan or South Dakota State. But you'd have to sit out at the former and not the latter.

 

[vols-1]

"The lead plaintiff is former cornerback Devin Pugh, who claims that one year after his Weber State head coach left, the new coach decided in 2012 not to renew his scholarship."


Why was his scholarship not renewed?

 

[hog88]

In this case the NCAA may be in trouble, if a coach pulls a kids scholarship the kid should be free to go to whatever school will take them. I have no problem with the 1 year sit out when a kid transfers for other reasons.

 

[BruinVol]

"The lead plaintiff is former cornerback Devin Pugh, who claims that one year after his Weber State head coach left, the new coach decided in 2012 not to renew his scholarship."


Why was his scholarship not renewed?

100% every kid that has their scholarship not renewed should be immediately eligible as long as they are in good academic standing and left the school in good standing.


ZERO reason the NCAA Shouldn't allow that

 

[dreVol]

The NCAA can make a simple amendment here. Any player can transfer without having to sit out, unless the player transfers (I) within the conference or (II) to his/her current team is scheduled to play at the time of the transfer.

This eliminates the coach's discretion crap and the "omg, my coach just got fired or took another job" situation.

 

[bamawriter]

The NCAA can make a simple amendment here. Any player can transfer without having to sit out, unless the player transfers (I) within the conference or (II) to his/her current team is scheduled to play at the time of the transfer.

This eliminates the coach's discretion crap and the "omg, my coach just got fired or took another job" situation.

If the NCAA had instituted this change, this lawsuit would never have been filed. But, now it's too late for this common sense approach to be adopted.

 

[Coug]

The NCAA can make a simple amendment here. Any player can transfer without having to sit out, unless the player transfers (I) within the conference or (II) to his/her current team is scheduled to play at the time of the transfer.

This eliminates the coach's discretion crap and the "omg, my coach just got fired or took another job" situation.

Agreed. There is a legitimate reason for having the 1 year sit out for transferring in the same conference. If a coach left and there was no 1 year sit out rule you could have a group of players leave a school at once which would be devastating to a program.

 

[joevol33]

100% every kid that has their scholarship not renewed should be immediately eligible as long as they are in good academic standing and left the school in good standing.


ZERO reason the NCAA Shouldn't allow that

Agree 100%

 

[BruinVol]

The NCAA can make a simple amendment here. Any player can transfer without having to sit out, unless the player transfers (I) within the conference or (II) to his/her current team is scheduled to play at the time of the transfer.

This eliminates the coach's discretion crap and the "omg, my coach just got fired or took another job" situation.

I disagree very strongly.

The Bama's/ohio state/big boys of the world shouldn't be able to search the nation for a player they overlooked in recruiting to fill a final piece of their puzzle.

There shouldn't be any kind of free agent feel to college athletics

 

[Sin City Vol]

In this case the NCAA may be in trouble, if a coach pulls a kids scholarship the kid should be free to go to whatever school will take them. I have no problem with the 1 year sit out when a kid transfers for other reasons.

I feel that if a coach up and leaves a school then any player wishing to transfer should be able too. These coaches take jobs without even thinking about the lies they told these kids but the kids are the ones punished. I know you should commit to the school and not the coach but everyone knows that's not what happens

 

[bamawriter]

I disagree very strongly.

The Bama's/ohio state/big boys of the world shouldn't be able to search the nation for a player they overlooked in recruiting to fill a final piece of their puzzle.

There shouldn't be any kind of free agent feel to college athletics

So you agree that the NCAA should stop pretending that athletes are students? Because no other student is limited like this.

 

[BruinVol]

So you agree that the NCAA should stop pretending that athletes are students? Because no other student is limited like this.

Call it anything you want but in no shape form or fashion should a Bama be able to head up to bowling green and cheery pick their QB Because they need one.

 

[hog88]

I feel that if a coach up and leaves a school then any player wishing to transfer should be able too. These coaches take jobs without even thinking about the lies they told these kids but the kids are the ones punished. I know you should commit to the school and not the coach but everyone knows that's not what happens

Not only no but hell no. Nothing would have stopped Kitty from taking several guys with him to USCw. Guys need to understand coaches are mercenaries and there is no guarantee they will be there next year.

 

[bamawriter]

Call it anything you want but in no shape form or fashion should a Bama be able to head up to bowling green and cheery pick their QB Because they need one.

There are already rules in place that prevent coaches from talking to players at other schools. No court order is going to change that. If a kid who was not highly recruited shows out at a small school, why shouldn't he be allowed to choose to move up in the world if it will help his pro prospects?

 

[DD4ME]

There are already rules in place that prevent coaches from talking to players at other schools. No court order is going to change that. If a kid who was not highly recruited shows out at a small school, why shouldn't he be allowed to choose to move up in the world if it will help his pro prospects?

The one year rule is there to help stem the temptation to hop programs. We worry about all these damn "restrictions" for what amounts to maybe 5% of student athletes. No one gives a crap about the second string lacross player.

 

[bamawriter]

The one year rule is there to help stem the temptation to hop programs. We worry about all these damn "restrictions" for what amounts to maybe 5% of student athletes. No one gives a crap about the second string lacross player.

But what is genuinely stupid is that the second string lacrosse player at Maryland who decides he wants to be a doctor would have to sit if he transfers to Johns Hopkins.

I'm not for opening the floodgates. But it's going to happen because the NCAA is so incredibly dumb that they refuse to make meaningful reforms until after they get pantsed in court.

 

[BruinVol]

There are already rules in place that prevent coaches from talking to players at other schools. No court order is going to change that. If a kid who was not highly recruited shows out at a small school, why shouldn't he be allowed to choose to move up in the world if it will help his pro prospects?

Rules don't keep coaches from talking to hs coaches or handlers as second parties. Happens a lot now and would have all the time if kids didn't have to sit out.


Completely bs if you think free agency would be good for college football.

 

[bamawriter]

Rules don't keep coaches from talking to hs coaches or handlers as second parties. Happens a lot now and would have all the time if kids didn't have to sit out.


Completely bs if you think free agency would be good for college football.

It's not good. But the status quo isn't good either. Changes should have been made before it came to this.

Too late now.

 

[DD4ME]

It's not good. But the status quo isn't good either. Changes should have been made before it came to this.

Too late now.

they have made special waivers before when sanctioning USC for example