Coaching in the SEC

[illvol]

Can someone explain to me why coaches who have previous SEC coaching experience are apparently the only ones qualified to coach in the SEC?
I get so tired of hearing how so and so won't make it or we don't want a certain coach because he doesn't have SEC experience. It seems to me that a good coach can be a good coach no matter where he goes. I understand that the intensity level may be higher in the SEC and the demands of the fan base as well but the ability to coach up a player doesn't change because the job is further south.
Am I missing something?

 

[oregonvol]

Typically, there is a big difference between recruiting in the southeast and everywhere else. Just look at the national recruiting rankings every year.

I think there are real concerns with coaches who aren't used to this type of competition. Doesn't mean they won't succeed, but there will be a question there until they answer it. Look at Bielema. Guy took Wisconsin to 3straight Rose Bowls and still all anyone wanted to know was if he could recruit in the SEC. So he surrounded himself with SEC assistants, made some strides, but still the jury is out.

 

[Vol8188]

Typically, there is a big difference between recruiting in the southeast and everywhere else. Just look at the national recruiting rankings every year.

I think there are real concerns with coaches who aren't used to this type of competition. Doesn't mean they won't succeed, but there will be a question there until they answer it. Look at Bielema. Guy took Wisconsin to 3straight Rose Bowls and still all anyone wanted to know was if he could recruit in the SEC. So he surrounded himself with SEC assistants, made some strides, but still the jury is out.

The rankings are so high, not because SEC recruiting is different.

The rankings are so high because the states represented by the SEC schools produce more talent than those of any other conference.

 

[Vol8188]

With that said, Nick Saban, Les Miles, General Neyland, Urban Meyer, and plenty of others did just fine in the SEC.

 

[vols-1]

With that said, Nick Saban, Les Miles, General Neyland, Urban Meyer, and plenty of others did just fine in the SEC.

Great hires can do well without SEC experience. But the up and comer bunch( coordinators) need SEC experience IMO.

 

[Vol8188]

Great hires can do well without SEC experience. But the up and comer bunch( coordinators) need SEC experience IMO.

Great coaches can do well in the SEC, regardless of experience. If you don't have a great coach, it doesn't matter how many SEC games he's coached previously. You're going to lose.

 

[illvol]

Great hires can do well without SEC experience. But the up and comer bunch( coordinators) need SEC experience IMO.

Why? If they can get the most out of a player why does it matter if they come from the WAC, NFL or SEC?

I'm getting annoyed with those who are down on our staff simply because he is from Cinci and he brought many coaches from there. Coaching is coaching period. Intensity levels may change from conference to conference as emphasis is placed higher on certain programs but Butch seems to be as intense as anyone.
For some to say we are screwed because JG left and CBJ is looking at coaches without SEC experience is just ignorant.

 

[oldfartvol]

Can someone explain to me why coaches who have previous SEC coaching experience are apparently the only ones qualified to coach in the SEC?
I get so tired of hearing how so and so won't make it or we don't want a certain coach because he doesn't have SEC experience. It seems to me that a good coach can be a good coach no matter where he goes. I understand that the intensity level may be higher in the SEC and the demands of the fan base as well but the ability to coach up a player doesn't change because the job is further south.
Am I missing something?

Yes, a lack of logical thought.

 

[terrypedigo]

Typically, there is a big difference between recruiting in the southeast and everywhere else. Just look at the national recruiting rankings every year.

I think there are real concerns with coaches who aren't used to this type of competition. Doesn't mean they won't succeed, but there will be a question there until they answer it. Look at Bielema. Guy took Wisconsin to 3straight Rose Bowls and still all anyone wanted to know was if he could recruit in the SEC. So he surrounded himself with SEC assistants, made some strides, but still the jury is out.

When LSU AND BAMA ROLL IN TOWN HE WILL WISH HE STAYED WHERE HE WAS.

 

[Vols4us]

The OP's question is answered each fall. The SEC has won the last 6 BCS NC's in a row and 9 total including ours. The vast majority of the players on those rosters were from the south. The coaches on those teams were building relationships with the players, coaches and boosters of all of those programs in the south.

UT has no coaches on the offensive side of the ball from the south and that have significant experience exclusively recruiting in the south currently. That's a major problem for an SEC school that gets most of its players from the south, which you should if you plan to compete for the NC. If you choose not to believe that nobody can help you. All you have to do is look at the coaching staffs of the top SEC programs to confirm it.

 

[illvol]

The OP's question is answered each fall. The SEC has won the last 6 BCS NC's in a row and 9 total including ours. The vast majority of the players on those rosters were from the south. The coaches on those teams were building relationships with the players, coaches and boosters of all of those programs in the south.

UT has no coaches on the offensive side of the ball from the south and that have significant experience exclusively recruiting in the south currently. That's a major problem for an SEC school that gets most of its players from the south, which you should if you plan to compete for the NC. If you choose not to believe that nobody can help you. All you have to do is look at the coaching staffs of the top SEC programs to confirm it.

Interestingly enough I took your advice and took a look at the number one team in the conference and current national champs.

Of the 12 coaches on staff only three had SEC experience prior to coming to Alabama. Many of them were "Saban's boys" from Michigan State and others came from Washington, a couple from Miami, and Clemson.

I'm working so haven't had time to look into the other SEC schools but if the number one team in the country and SEC can manage to win a game or two without a staff of SEC guys why is that everyone's end-all be-all for deciding on the success of our staff.

 

[Vol464]

The OP's question is answered each fall. The SEC has won the last 6 BCS NC's in a row and 9 total including ours. The vast majority of the players on those rosters were from the south. The coaches on those teams were building relationships with the players, coaches and boosters of all of those programs in the south.

UT has no coaches on the offensive side of the ball from the south and that have significant experience exclusively recruiting in the south currently. That's a major problem for an SEC school that gets most of its players from the south, which you should if you plan to compete for the NC. If you choose not to believe that nobody can help you. All you have to do is look at the coaching staffs of the top SEC programs to confirm it.

Make that last 7.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

UT has no coaches on the offensive side of the ball from the south and that have significant experience exclusively recruiting in the south currently.

Zac Azzani has been recruiting the Southeast, especially Florida, since he was with Urban Meyer from 2001-03 at Bowling Green. He's been recruiting Florida for over a decade. Meyer called CZA a relentless recruiter, and the fact Meyer would hire him again at UF in 2010 I think supports what he said about CZA. We're in good shape with Azzani.

 

[illvol]

It's just a way for the people who refuse to be positive about things they know little about to begrudge the current staff regardless of their coaching success.
There are plenty of SEC experienced coaches who have gone on to other conferences and were unsuccessful just like there are plenty of coaches from lesser conferences who have come in and been successful.
The coaches make the conference. The conference doesn't make the coach.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

There is nothing unique about coaching in the SEC other than it being the highest level of college football. Jumping into the SEC from another BCS conference, IMO, is no different than jumping to the BCS from a non-BCS conference or jumping to D-I from somewhere else.

If you are a successful coach, you will continue to get pushed up the food chain until you hit your ceiling. A good coach will adapt as he moves along. He'll build the relationships needed and recruit to the level needed to compete. If not, he'll fail.

The competition in all things on and off the field is at the very highest level SEC, and I don't think you have to have been on a staff in the SEC to understand it. It's pretty obvious.

Personally, I would 100x rather have a coach that is a proven winner as a HEAD coach in another conference than take a shot on a coordinator with all the SEC experience that you could possibly have. There is something about the jump from coordinator to HC that is always a risk no matter what the level.

 

[illvol]

Agree. Well said