coast guard stops ships.

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joevol320 said:
BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Bobby Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking Barges Stopped by Coast Guard - ABC News


let me get this straight, the coast guard blocks ships from cleaning the ocean because there is a "process"

but bp has to give 20billion to hussein without going through any process.

you have to love it.
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I am becoming more and more convinced every day that Barry does not really mind this oil leak. The more it leaks the more they feel they can push their green communist agenda.

I will bet money right now that the people who need and deserve that 20 billion never see all of it. I would almost guarantee that a lot of that will go to Barry's cronies.
 
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We should just let anyone who thinks they have half a mind to clean up the spill to go in there, guns cocked, and get this done!

Who does the Coast Guard think they are? The Coast Guard? Who are they to enforce minimum safety compliance in US waters. Now you're going to tell me the US Air Force thinks they rate fighter jets and the US Army rates tanks.
 
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DC Vol said:
We should just let anyone who thinks they have half a mind to clean up the spill to go in there, guns cocked, and get this done!

Who does the Coast Guard think they are? The Coast Guard? Who are they to enforce minimum safety compliance in US waters. Now you're going to tell me the US Air Force thinks they rate fighter jets and the US Army rates tanks.
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Yea, you would not want these barges actually soaking this oil up, looks like Jindal (an actual leader) approved these barges but I guess Barry could not take the credit for it.
 
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DC Vol said:
We should just let anyone who thinks they have half a mind to clean up the spill to go in there, guns cocked, and get this done!

Who does the Coast Guard think they are? The Coast Guard? Who are they to enforce minimum safety compliance in US waters. Now you're going to tell me the US Air Force thinks they rate fighter jets and the US Army rates tanks.
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but you don't find it odd that they were perfectly ok with them working this week but now decide to stop them? I think this whole thing is just showing there is no one actually leading the clean-up. It is just amazing how big a cluster it's becoming
 
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utvolpj said:
but you don't find it odd that they were perfectly ok with them working this week but now decide to stop them? I think this whole thing is just showing there is no one actually leading the clean-up. It is just amazing how big a cluster it's becoming
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If it's the USCG's job to enforce safety compliance within US waters... then they should enforce safety compliance within US waters.

The USCG temporarily halted their efforts as they, assumedly, did not get clearance through the USCG. They went out on orders of Jindal... but Jindal does not have authority over US waters. That would be.... the USCG.

If people want good order and discipline and this spill is being dealt with... then they need to accept it when it happens.
 
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I had heard they actually stopped the oil leak. From what I was told, they put a ring on it, and it stopped putting out.......................................................rimshot :)
 
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DC Vol said:
If it's the USCG's job to enforce safety compliance within US waters... then they should enforce safety compliance within US waters.

The USCG temporarily halted their efforts as they, assumedly, did not get clearance through the USCG. They went out on orders of Jindal... but Jindal does not have authority over US waters. That would be.... the USCG.

If people want good order and discipline and this spill is being dealt with... then they need to accept it when it happens.
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That's just the problem, the perception (right or wrong) is that not enough is being done in clean up efforts both offshore and on the coast line. When local efforts have been made to minimize the effects they have been stone walled by bureaucratic red tape. This is yet another example and further reinforces the idea pj put forward that there is no real leadership because no one is stepping forward to clear efforts like this one to be made. It is a huge cluster and no one really seems to have a handle on the situation.
 
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DC Vol said:
If it's the USCG's job to enforce safety compliance within US waters... then they should enforce safety compliance within US waters.

The USCG temporarily halted their efforts as they, assumedly, did not get clearance through the USCG. They went out on orders of Jindal... but Jindal does not have authority over US waters. That would be.... the USCG.

If people want good order and discipline and this spill is being dealt with... then they need to accept it when it happens.
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I understand what you're saying but we're 2 months into this thing and the CG is still checking for fire extinguishers and life jackets on barges. Thing is, these barges had to be requested by the state because the feds are in such a mess of red tape that nothing can get done.

It's just very frustrating to read every day that nothing is happening. There is no leadership and no plan. Someone needs to be "the decider" and own the clean up
 
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KB5252 said:
That's just the problem, the perception (right or wrong) is that not enough is being done in clean up efforts both offshore and on the coast line. When local efforts have been made to minimize the effects they have been stone walled by bureaucratic red tape. This is yet another example and further reinforces the idea pj put forward that there is no real leadership because no one is stepping forward to clear efforts like this one to be made. It is a huge cluster and no one really seems to have a handle on the situation.
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I'm at parity with you on this. 60 days later and the spill is worse than it was estimated to be at the beginning... I think that's clear.

But, my issue is with people scolding the USCG for doing their jobs. Yes, the barges would help. They still must comply and show compliance to those who are showing they have authority over certain areas. The USCG can't do much if anything to plug the leak. Their job seems to be one of maintaining maritime regulations over the multiple facets that are in play in this ordeal.

That's their job here. They obviously are doing their job. Just because POTUS, State Governors and the corporations at fault are sitting on their hands till their heads bleed doesn't mean it should be a total turkey shoot.
 
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utvolpj said:
I understand what you're saying but we're 2 months into this thing and the CG is still checking for fire extinguishers and life jackets on barges. Thing is, these barges had to be requested by the state because the feds are in such a mess of red tape that nothing can get done.

It's just very frustrating to read every day that nothing is happening. There is no leadership and no plan. Someone needs to be "the decider" and own the clean up
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Again, this isn't about the USCG. The barges went out. The USCG found out. The USCG ordered a cease and desist so they could inspect the safety and hardiness of the barge.

The barges were halted for 24 hours.

The USCG did their compliance check and sent them on their way.

This has nothing to do with POTUS, Gov't, BP, TransOcean, etc. total lack of onus and proper oversight of this disaster.
 
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Do all rules have to be enforced at all times? Is there no situation where you might say "well these barges operate regularly, we have an emergency maybe we can pass on a routine inspection and let them go after the problem"?

Could they do one at a time if it's just routine inspection rather than stop all activity?

The frustration comes from treating this like time doesn't matter. That has been the mode of operation since day one - completely reactive and sticking to bureaucratic process rather.
 
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volinbham said:
Do all rules have to be enforced at all times? Is there no situation where you might say "well these barges operate regularly, we have an emergency maybe we can pass on a routine inspection and let them go after the problem"?

Could they do one at a time if it's just routine inspection rather than stop all activity?

The frustration comes from treating this like time doesn't matter. That has been the mode of operation since day one - completely reactive and sticking to bureaucratic process rather.
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Right on, bro.
 
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DC Vol said:
If it's the USCG's job to enforce safety compliance within US waters... then they should enforce safety compliance within US waters.

The USCG temporarily halted their efforts as they, assumedly, did not get clearance through the USCG. They went out on orders of Jindal... but Jindal does not have authority over US waters. That would be.... the USCG.

If people want good order and discipline and this spill is being dealt with... then they need to accept it when it happens.
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So do you think the POTUS can just order BP to put money in an escrow account? What's the authority for that? Where's the law or regulatory language?

Why are we ignoring rules/laws in some cases but enforcing them in others?
 
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I would like to say that this incident highlights the problems I have always had with democrats. They are more loyal to bureaucracy than any of their ideals, so what does it matter if I have a few ideals in common with them?

It only reaffirms my voting in the last election.
 
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You know the only laws that apply are the ones that benefit our tyrant masters! Submit!
 
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volinbham said:
So do you think the POTUS can just order BP to put money in an escrow account? What's the authority for that? Where's the law or regulatory language?

Why are we ignoring rules/laws in some cases but enforcing them in others?
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I'm only talking about the USCG approach to this matter. I already said it once... I'll say it again:

This isn't about the POTUS, BP, Congress, Senate or the price of eggs in China.

This is about a governor thinking he has the clout to make a call that would directly affect maritime operations (which he does not have the authority for) in US waters. That falls solely on the USCG. It was well within their authority to ensure that the barges were properly constructed, weren't an explosion/fire hazard and that the crew was properly trained and equipped for safety. With the earliest estimate that this will continue through August... we should ensure that what measures we're taking are correct, safe and informed while done in a timely manner.

And again... I'll say this:

I completely agree that Obama, the Feds and BP are handling this terribly.

I just do not agree that in this particular instance that maritime regulations should be thrown out of the window in favor of a 24 hour advance on their job. If something were to happen to one of those barges, the same people criticizing the USCG would be on this very board criticizing the Obama Administration for making "terrible decisions" and "having no control of the situation" by allowing anyone with an idea and a boat to clutter the clean-up effort.

The governor of Louisiana should have known better before ordering out barges more than 40 miles outside of his area of authority. I understand and agree with the "why" of his action... not in the execution of it.
 
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DC Vol said:
I'm only talking about the USCG approach to this matter. I already said it once... I'll say it again:

This isn't about the POTUS, BP, Congress, Senate or the price of eggs in China.

This is about a governor thinking he has the clout to make a call that would directly affect maritime operations (which he does not have the authority for) in US waters. That falls solely on the USCG. It was well within their authority to ensure that the barges were properly constructed so as to not leak out oil after pumping, weren't an explosion/fire hazard and that the crew was properly trained and equipped for safety. With the earliest estimate that this will continue through August... we should ensure that what measures we're taking are correct, safe and informed while done in a timely manner.

And again... I'll say this:

I completely agree that Obama, the Feds and BP are handling this terribly.

I just do not agree that in this particular instance that maritime regulations should be thrown out of the window in favor of a 24 hour advance on their job. If something were to happen to one of those barges, the same people criticizing the USCG would be on this very board criticizing the Obama Administration for making "terrible decisions" and "having no control of the situation" by allowing anyone with an idea and a boat to clutter the clean-up effort.

The governor of Louisiana should have known better before ordering out barges more than 40 miles outside of his area of authority. I understand and agree with the "why" of his action... not in the execution of it.
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Haha, it would have to be a hell of a leaky barge to leak more oil than it took out of the water. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, if that is really the concern.
 
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Nothing personal, DC, but let me make sure I've got this straight.

If your house was on fire, the fire trucks are rushing to your aid, but they have the misfortune of passing a DOT officer who notices they have a tail light out, pulls all of them over, wants to see their permits, fire extinguishers, check the tires for proper inflation, etc, all the while your house burns, you would be okay with the DOT officer's performance of his duties? I mean, because after all, it is his duty to ensure safety on the roads.

We're talking a state of emergency here, not Independence Day on Clearwater Lake.

It's tantamount to a Staff Sgt. checking that his soldiers' uniforms are properly pressed in the middle of a fire fight. Surely you see the nuance?
 
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J-P said:
Nothing personal, DC, but let me make sure I've got this straight.

If your house was on fire, the fire trucks are rushing to your aid, but they have the misfortune of passing a DOT officer who notices they have a tail light out, pulls all of them over, wants to see their permits, fire extinguishers, check the tires for proper inflation, etc, all the while your house burns, you would be okay with the DOT officer's performance of his duties? I mean, because after all, it is his duty to ensure safety on the roads.

We're talking a state of emergency here, not Independence Day on Clearwater Lake.

It's tantamount to a Staff Sgt. checking that his soldiers' uniforms are properly pressed in the middle of a fire fight. Surely you see the nuance?
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Agreed (weird, huh?)
 
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J-P said:
Nothing personal, DC, but let me make sure I've got this straight.

If your house was on fire, the fire trucks are rushing to your aid, but they have the misfortune of passing a DOT officer who notices they have a tail light out, pulls all of them over, wants to see their permits, fire extinguishers, check the tires for proper inflation, etc, all the while your house burns, you would be okay with the DOT officer's performance of his duties? I mean, because after all, it is his duty to ensure safety on the roads.

We're talking a state of emergency here, not Independence Day on Clearwater Lake.

It's tantamount to a Staff Sgt. checking that his soldiers' uniforms are properly pressed in the middle of a fire fight. Surely you see the nuance?
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+1. This was about strict adherence to regs regardless of the situation. It's not as if a shortage life jackets and fire extinguishers threatens the situation.

24 hours when oil is in the area (particularly close to marsh areas) makes a tremendous difference.

This is a Barney Fife move all the way IMHO.
 
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J-P said:
If your house was on fire, the fire trucks are rushing to your aid, but they have the misfortune of passing a DOT officer who notices they have a tail light out, pulls all of them over, wants to see their permits, fire extinguishers, check the tires for proper inflation, etc, all the while your house burns, you would be okay with the DOT officer's performance of his duties? I mean, because after all, it is his duty to ensure safety on the roads.

It's tantamount to a Staff Sgt. checking that his soldiers' uniforms are properly pressed in the middle of a fire fight. Surely you see the nuance?
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No, it was not a nuance.

This is a paramount emergency. Agreed... but best estimates state this spill will continue for at least another 60 days.


60 days.

This delayed that 24 hours... and this has been going on for just about 2 months now. A 24 hour delay in a 4 month (at best) event.

Not the same as my house on fire, but I appreciate your touch of dramatic flair. The firemen would be duely appointed professions trained for that response. This would be like my neighbor being mad they could turn on their garden hose to try to help me put it out... but the situations aren't really comparable.


About the firefight issue: That would be a SSgt inspecting the state of body armor, operability of rifles, physical and mental condition of his troops and knowledge of the ROEs before moving to a FOB. The oil spill is a "sustained conflict" not a "firefight".

Do you understand now? It wasn't just a personnel safety issue. They were ensuring the barges were constructed for what they were going to be used for. That is not a nuance.

and then it had trouble contacting the people who built the barges.
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If they, in fact, weren't contacting the manufacturers for the reason's I've stated I will immediately retract my aforementioned statements and will be in complete agreement with you.
 
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