Cohen to be furloughed; judge finds DOJ retaliation

[lawgator1]

Michael Cohen will be released from prison to home confinement, judge rules - CNNPolitics

This is HUGE. A federal judge has expressly ruled that:

"The purpose of transferring Mr. Cohen from furlough and home confinement to jail is retaliatory and its retaliatory because of his desire to exercise his first amendment rights to publish a book and discuss anything about the book or anything else he wants on social media and others," Judge Alvin Hellerstein ruled during a telephonic hearing.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Out of curiosity since this is in three threads now and has its own.

What access would the media have to Cohen if he were in jail? If they have access to him there then ok it isn’t consistent. However why again should Cohen have free reign for unlimited social visits when being released for health reasons? There should be consistency.

And like I said in the other thread he’s served a year on BS charges anyway. Who cares release or keep him doesn’t matter at this point.

 

[Mick]

Michael Cohen will be released from prison to home confinement, judge rules - CNNPolitics

This is HUGE. A federal judge has expressly ruled that:

Retaliatory from the DOJ. Abuse of power, perhaps?

 

[MontyPython]

Shocking. Trump abused his power via Barr to exact revenge on an enemy who's gonna write nasty (read: true) things about him.

Pretty sure I saw this show already.

I can barely muster a shrug at this point. Anyone with even one iota of common sense recognizes how corrupt Trump, Barr and this entire administration is.

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[davethevol]

Shocking. Trump abused his power via Barr to exact revenge on an enemy who's gonna write nasty (read: true) things about him.

Pretty sure I saw this show already.

I can barely muster a shrug at this point. Anyone with even one iota of common sense recognizes how corrupt Trump, Barr and this entire administration is.

Time left until Trump leaves office

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4332 hours
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until Wednesday, January 20, 2021 (Washington DC, District of Columbia time)

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Since you libs killed off Ringling Brothers, this is the next best thing.

 

[lawgator1]

Out of curiosity since this is in three threads now and has its own.

What access would the media have to Cohen if he were in jail? If they have access to him there then ok it isn’t consistent. However why again should Cohen have free reign for unlimited social visits when being released for health reasons? There should be consistency.

And like I said in the other thread he’s served a year on BS charges anyway. Who cares release or keep him doesn’t matter at this point.

First, apologies if the thread repeats other posts, was not my intent. I do believe, however, it deserves its own thread. To affirmatively say that the government, and in particular the DOJ, put a man entitled to furlough back into prison to keep him quiet, is truly remarkable.

As to your question, I don't know what the BOP rules are on his ability to communicate. But bear in mind, its not just about can he pick up the phone or write portions of a book and send them out -- its also will he be punished for doing so? To have furlough dangled and then taken away when you won;t commit to staying quiet is just as bad, if not worse, than not allowing him outside contact.

 

[NorthDallas40]

First, apologies if the thread repeats other posts, was not my intent. I do believe, however, it deserves its own thread. To affirmatively say that the government, and in particular the DOJ, put a man entitled to furlough back into prison to keep him quiet, is truly remarkable.

As to your question, I don't know what the BOP rules are on his ability to communicate. But bear in mind, its not just about can he pick up the phone or write portions of a book and send them out -- its also will he be punished for doing so? To have furlough dangled and then taken away when you won;t commit to staying quiet is just as bad, if not worse, than not allowing him outside contact.

Like I said in the other thread LG it seems dumb of them to even make this play. He was seen out at dinner twice in Manhattan and didn’t deny it. I figured he was toast then.

As far as publishing a book I don’t care he can write it in either location. However from reading the details on prosecutors reasoning it sounds like he was leveraging access he wouldn’t have had inside. If that’s the case then I would think they can say knock it off.

But they had the house arrest violations so why bother. Just seems dumb and needless.

 

[hog88]

First, apologies if the thread repeats other posts, was not my intent. I do believe, however, it deserves its own thread. To affirmatively say that the government, and in particular the DOJ, put a man entitled to furlough back into prison to keep him quiet, is truly remarkable.

As to your question, I don't know what the BOP rules are on his ability to communicate. But bear in mind, its not just about can he pick up the phone or write portions of a book and send them out -- its also will he be punished for doing so? To have furlough dangled and then taken away when you won;t commit to staying quiet is just as bad, if not worse, than not allowing him outside contact.

Hopefully this is a reputable enough source for you. There is more to the story that your sensationalism.

Government says Michael Cohen went back to prison because he was "defiant" toward officers - CBS News

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hopefully this is a reputable enough source for you. There is more to the story that your sensationalism.

Government says Michael Cohen went back to prison because he was "defiant" toward officers - CBS News

Ok so that reads like I was asking above.

No engagement of any kind with the media, including print, tv, film, books, or any other form of media/news,"

It sounds like they are telling him to not leverage his relaxed confinement to make appearances and communications he otherwise wouldn’t have had.

 

[lawgator1]

Hopefully this is a reputable enough source for you. There is more to the story that your sensationalism.

Government says Michael Cohen went back to prison because he was "defiant" toward officers - CBS News

A federal judge listened to that evidence, heard the explanation, and is calling bullshiite.

 

[hog88]

Ok so that reads like I was asking above.



It sounds like they are telling him to not leverage his relaxed confinement to make appearances and communications he otherwise wouldn’t have had.

That's the way I read it. But it's LG so....

 

[hog88]

A federal judge listened to that evidence, heard the explanation, and is calling bullshiite.

Yep, impossible for a federal judge to be biased.

 

[NorthDallas40]

A federal judge listened to that evidence, heard the explanation, and is calling bullshiite.

Actually I’m gonna change over to a federal judge made an activist ruling by taking a very limited inference from the whole rationale. Cohen violated multiple terms of his release.

 

[lawgator1]

Yep, impossible for a federal judge to be biased.

This is a senior judge with a long track record of handling tough cases well. He has many cases decided in favor of conservative causes. Going to be tough to sell that he was simply biased.

 

[hog88]

This is a senior judge with a long track record of handling tough cases well. He has many cases decided in favor of conservative causes. Going to be tough to sell that he was simply biased.

Then why did he ignore the violations in his terms of release?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well I understand all the screeching by people now. Trying to give this judge top cover for a fairly dumb ruling and pointing fingers at the DOJ and Trump first

 

[lawgator1]

Then why did he ignore the violations in his terms of release?

You are basing it on what one side claimed -- the DOJ and Barr. The judge ruled that those claims by DOJ and Barr were not the real reason Cohen's furlough got yanked. The judge heard the evidence on that and ruled that the purpose was to retaliate against him in violation of his First Amendment rights.

That is the point of the thread.

 

[hog88]

You are basing it on what one side claimed -- the DOJ and Barr. The judge ruled that those claims by DOJ and Barr were not the real reason Cohen's furlough got yanked. The judge heard the evidence on that and ruled that the purpose was to retaliate against him in violation of his First Amendment rights.

That is the point of the thread.

So the probation officer lied?

 

[lawgator1]

So the probation officer lied?

Probation officer I am sure testified to his/her perception of the facts. But that was not the issue. The judge heard those facts but did not believe them to be the reason for the furlough to have been yanked. The judge found that explanation by the DOJ to be false, and that the real reason they did it was to violate Cohen's First Amendment rights.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Lol. This isn't huge. This isn't anything.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Thug rule

 

[hog88]

Probation officer I am sure testified to his/her perception of the facts. But that was not the issue. The judge heard those facts but did not believe them to be the reason for the furlough to have been yanked. The judge found that explanation by the DOJ to be false, and that the real reason they did it was to violate Cohen's First Amendment rights.

So the possibility the judge is biased can’t be dismissed.

 

[MontyPython]

Since you libs killed off Ringling Brothers, this is the next best thing.

Your worldview is bizarre, bro. I'm pro-circus for the record. In fact, we should just hunt, then eat all the animals after each performance.

 

[lawgator1]

So the possibility the judge is biased can’t be dismissed.

I cannot read his mind, but under your theory then every single decision of every single judge in history is open to vague questioning of "bias."

The judge here was tasked with reviewing the evidence on both sides of the question and he concluded that DOJ and Barr are lying about the actual reason for the action against Cohen. He is a neutral party in the matter, has no personal interest at stake in the outcome, and unlike you did not read snippets of press coverage to reach his conclusion.

 

[hog88]

I cannot read his mind, but under your theory then every single decision of every single judge in history is open to vague questioning of "bias."

The judge here was tasked with reviewing the evidence on both sides of the question and he concluded that DOJ and Barr are lying about the actual reason for the action against Cohen. He is a neutral party in the matter, has no personal interest at stake in the outcome, and unlike you did not read snippets of press coverage to reach his conclusion.

For him to rule as he did he must have concluded the probation officer at minimum and possibly all the way up to Barr lied. Why no contempt charges or referral for perjury prosecution?