Coker-TCHFCATUTK Comparison

[hatvol96]

With both Larry Coker and TCHFCATUTK catching heat, I thought it appropriate to point out a number of similarities between the two:
1. Both are catching heat from highly demanding fan bases.
2. Both were career assistants who had never been a D-I head coach before taking over at power programs.
3. Each have presided over some bad off the field incidents recently.
4. A portion of both coaches' fan base wants Butch Davis to replace them.
5. Both face Top 15 opponents at home in their opener.
6. Both turn around and play a Top 15 opponent on September 16.
7. A substantial portion of the national media portrays both men as caretaker coaches who get by due to the great talent they recruit.
8. Neither team has had a consistent offensive line in a couple of years.
9. Supporters of both point to their winning percentages as evidence that the criticism they receive is unwarranted.
10. Both coaches failed to capitalize on winning a National Championship.

 

[Big Orange Diesel]

Thats scary that they are that similar. :no:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

8. Neither team has had a consistent offensive line in a couple of years.

Shameful, with the supposed offensive line talent, that should never be a problem.

*I guess it would help if you are under 330 and are able to move a couple of feet in a different direction......

 

[GAVol]

4. A portion of both coaches' fan base wants Butch Davis to replace them.

Is there really that big an outcry for Butch Davis to coach at Tennessee? His name is out there, but I hear a lot more stories about him possibly ending up at either Arkansas or back at Miami.

 

[hatvol96]

Is there really that big an outcry for Butch Davis to coach at Tennessee? His name is out there, but I hear a lot more stories about him possibly ending up at either Arkansas or back at Miami.

That's why I didn't say a "substantial portion." I don't think there's any chance he would end up back at the "U." Arkansas makes sense, because that's home for him. However, there are two Hog Alums who might want to add one more entry to their resume' and return their alma mater to the national spotlight. If Nutt has a bad year, just remember this post.

 

[GAVol]

Is that code for you think Jimmy Johnson wants to coach again?

 

[hatvol96]

Is that code for you think Jimmy Johnson wants to coach again?

I'm not sure he, or Switzer, want to, but I wouldn't be shocked. JJ has always held a grudge against Broyles for not considering him when the Hogs hired Ken Hatfield. This would give him the perfect opportunity to stick it to ol' Frank and help his alma mater in one fell swoop. Also, it would give him one more way to tweak fellow alum Jerry Jones. Switzer would consider it because it would allow him the chance to help an alma mater he dearly loves, while at the same time getting one up on JJ in their long running personal rivalry.

 

[volfan2024]

With both Larry Coker and TCHFCATUTK catching heat, I thought it appropriate to point out a number of similarities between the two:
1. Both are catching heat from highly demanding fan bases.
2. Both were career assistants who had never been a D-I head coach before taking over at power programs.
3. Each have presided over some bad off the field incidents recently.
4. A portion of both coaches' fan base wants Butch Davis to replace them.
5. Both face Top 15 opponents at home in their opener.
6. Both turn around and play a Top 15 opponent on September 16.
7. A substantial portion of the national media portrays both men as caretaker coaches who get by due to the great talent they recruit.
8. Neither team has had a consistent offensive line in a couple of years.
9. Supporters of both point to heir winning percentages as evidence that the criticism they receive is unwarranted.
10. Both coaches failed to capitalize on winning a National Championship.

11.They both have a few disloyal fans.(unless of course their team is winning, then it's :huggy: time).

 

[hatvol96]

11.They both have a few disloyal fans.(unless of course their team is winning, then it's :huggy: time).

I've never liked either guy so I wouldn't know about that.

 

[OWB]

:swoon3:

 

[hohenfelsvol]

11.They both have a few disloyal fans.(unless of course their team is winning, then it's :huggy: time).

Kind of hard to have large base of Loyal fans with a losing program. Don't get me wrong. I am still in Fulmer's corner but he rope is getting shorter if this season goes in wrong direction.:flush:

 

[jakez4ut]

With both Larry Coker and TCHFCATUTK catching heat, I thought it appropriate to point out a number of similarities between the two:
1. Both are catching heat from highly demanding fan bases.
2. Both were career assistants who had never been a D-I head coach before taking over at power programs.
3. Each have presided over some bad off the field incidents recently.
4. A portion of both coaches' fan base wants Butch Davis to replace them.
5. Both face Top 15 opponents at home in their opener.
6. Both turn around and play a Top 15 opponent on September 16.
7. A substantial portion of the national media portrays both men as caretaker coaches who get by due to the great talent they recruit.
8. Neither team has had a consistent offensive line in a couple of years.
9. Supporters of both point to heir winning percentages as evidence that the criticism they receive is unwarranted.
10. Both coaches failed to capitalize on winning a National Championship.

You could probably put Lloyd Carr in this group as well....i don't know that he is on as much of a hot seat as either CPF or CLK, but you can't deny the comparisons match up on just about each point, except the opener....Michigan gets a break with VAndy coming to town.

 

[hatvol96]

You could probably put Lloyd Carr in this group as well....i don't know that he is on as much of a hot seat as either CPF or CLK, but you can't deny the comparisons match up on just about each point, except the opener....Michigan gets a break with VAndy coming to town.

I think Carr is under more pressure than Fulmer.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think Carr is under more pressure than Fulmer.

i haven't paid too much attention to Michigan lately, but it's hard for anyone not to notice that Big Blue fans aren't exactly excited about the guy.

 

[Lexvol]

For all three coaches "time is of the essence". If they don't compete for conference championships this year, all three will be looking for jobs in January.

 

[GAVol]

For all three coaches "time is of the essence". If they don't compete for conference championships this year, all three will be looking for jobs in January.

I think Fulmer can get away with 8 wins. I'm not sure the same can be said for Coker and Carr.

 

[hatvol96]

For all three coaches "time is of the essence". If they don't compete for conference championships this year, all three will be looking for jobs in January.

If that's the case, we'll have an answer on Coker and TCHFCATUTK very soon. I can't wait for Labor Day night in the OB. A loss there and Coker can probably see the end of the road. TCHFCATUTK is in a similar situation two weeks later.

 

[jakez4ut]

For all three coaches "time is of the essence". If they don't compete for conference championships this year, all three will be looking for jobs in January.

I don't know if all three have to compete for conf. championshipms this season, but all three need to step it up....i think all three have key games during the season that will be considered "judgement games" by fans, local media etc....

For TN...doubtful we realistically compete for SEC title...but you got games against Cal, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU and South Carolina, and at Arkansas really that determine if your season was any good or not. I think TN needs to beat Georgia, Alabama, USC and ARK...losing to LSU, CAl and Florida is not the end of the world considering where those three teams are supposed to be from a national ranking standpoint. 9-3 losing to those three, i would say is acceptable. You would have lost games that you maybe were expected lose, and won 2-3 games you maybe weren't expected to win and beat everyone else you were supposed to beat. It's not where i want to be, but i could live with it THIS YEAR.

Miami and Michigan have the same types of games....OSU, FSU, Clemson, Iowa, Va Tech, PSU, ND, etc....though i would say Miami should be favored in more games this year than Mich or Tenn, which really puts the pressure on Coker imo.

 

[hatvol96]

I think Fulmer can get away with 8 wins. I'm not sure the same can be said for Coker and Carr.

I'm absolutely certain Coker can't survive an 8 win season. 9 may not be enough for him.

 

[Lexvol]

I don't know if all three have to compete for conf. championshipms this season, but all three need to step it up....i think all three have key games during the season that will be considered "judgement games" by fans, local media etc....

For TN...doubtful we realistically compete for SEC title...but you got games against Cal, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU and South Carolina, and at Arkansas really that determine if your season was any good or not. I think TN needs to beat Georgia, Alabama, USC and ARK...losing to LSU, CAl and Florida is not the end of the world considering where those three teams are supposed to be from a national ranking standpoint. 9-3 losing to those three, i would say is acceptable. You would have lost games that you maybe were expected lose, and won 2-3 games you maybe weren't expected to win and beat everyone else you were supposed to beat. It's not where i want to be, but i could live with it THIS YEAR.

Miami and Michigan have the same types of games....OSU, FSU, Clemson, Iowa, Va Tech, PSU, ND, etc....though i would say Miami should be favored in more games this year than Mich or Tenn, which really puts the pressure on Coker imo.

While I agree that the schedule is not friendly for any of afformentioned teams what do they all have in common? Sputtering offenses and poorly performing QBs. If their respective offensive units costs these teams ballgames look for changes immediately.

 

[jakez4ut]

While I agree that the schedule is not friendly for any of afformentioned teams what do they all have in common? Sputtering offenses and poorly performing QBs. If their respective offensive units costs these teams ballgames look for changes immediately.

i'll give you this...both Coker and Fulmer made major changes on the offensive coaching staffs....if things don't get better in a hurry, many will point to the one thing that did not change, and that would be the HC....both Coker and Fulmer will live or die with the coaching hires they made in the off season.

 

[allvol]

Knowing that the Big East ain't tough, Coker won 3 straight Big East titles and 1 national title in his first 3 seasons. Miami played for the National title in his 2nd season, losing in overtime. Miami also finished in the top 5 during those first 3 seasons. However, the past 2 seasons, Miami has finished with identical 9-3 records and ranked 11th and 17th respectively. In 2004, Miami lost to Va Tech in their final regular season game. Had they won, they would have been ACC champs. Last season, they lost their bowl game... bad... to LSU. Seems coaches get in the hot seat when they lose their last game. Coker worst season in 5 years is 9-3.

I normally wouldn't defend Coker, because I don't like him and I don't think he's a great coach. However, I think he's a good coach and he's good enough to win national championships. I can't get on the band wagon of those that think that a team should dominate to the point of winning every national championship. I believe that good teams can hang around the top 10, but have a very limited window where they might have a shot at 2 or 3 national championship within a few seasons. The historical trend shows that teams drop back to the pack.... they can surge ahead again, but its usually not immediate.

 

[hatvol96]

Knowing that the Big East ain't tough, Coker won 3 straight Big East titles and 1 national title in his first 3 seasons. Miami played for the National title in his 2nd season, losing in overtime. Miami also finished in the top 5 during those first 3 seasons. However, the past 2 seasons, Miami has finished with identical 9-3 records and ranked 11th and 17th respectively. In 2004, Miami lost to Va Tech in their final regular season game. Had they won, they would have been ACC champs. Last season, they lost their bowl game... bad... to LSU. Seems coaches get in the hot seat when they lose their last game. Coker worst season in 5 years is 9-3.

I normally wouldn't defend Coker, because I don't like him and I don't think he's a great coach. However, I think he's a good coach and he's good enough to win national championships. I can't get on the band wagon of those that think that a team should dominate to the point of winning every national championship. I believe that good teams can hang around the top 10, but have a very limited window where they might have a shot at 2 or 3 national championship within a few seasons. The historical trend shows that teams drop back to the pack.... they can surge ahead again, but its usually not immediate.

There are about 70 coaches in D-I that would have won a National Championship with the '01 Miami team. I don't think that in any way validates Ears as a coach. If you inherit 999,999 dollars, becoming a millionaire isn't that great an accomplishment.