College Baseball Rule Change Needed

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taylorvol

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Way past time to get rid of the archaic rule of an error only occurs if glove touches ball. Why should a pop fly that lands near the pitching mound be ruled a double? Why should an outfielder who badly misjudges a lazy pop fly, and it lands 10 feet over his head, not be charged with an error?

When it isn‘t blatantly obvious who made the mistake, charge a “team error”. Also, I’d like to see the Ohtani rule where a great hitting pitcher can hit for himself but the DH could still be used for a defensive specialist/position player. Rant over... Thoughts?
 
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The rule actually does not say that but it is the interpretation of every scorekeeper. The rule says reasonably caught but missed should be an error but everyone interprets it, if a glove does not touch it is a hit. One told me years ago, who would you put the error on, in a situation where several are standing there? I said whoever you thought should have caught it easiest. It's like if a player scores on the wrong goal in basketball, the points go to the nearest defensive player. It is not that difficult. I know my post yesterday seemed one sided but it is frustrating when we use ERA to judge a pitcher's ability and they are punished when the defense misses an easy ball or is misaligned. I know in the long run it works itself out but not in the short term.
When you are on the road, I get that they want it to appear that their batter had a hit rather than ROE. I also know that most teams protect fielders more than pitchers. Errors on a fielder look worse than a hit on pitcher one scorer told me. I disagreed.
I also agree on the hitting for yourself as a pitcher rule. You actually can if you are a starter. A starter can be listed as pitcher and DH and can stay in the DH role after being pulled as a pitcher but not any other time.
 
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preacherman20 said:
The rule actually does not say that but it is the interpretation of every scorekeeper. The rule says reasonably caught but missed should be an error but everyone interprets it, if a glove does not touch it is a hit. One told me years ago, who would you put the error on, in a situation where several are standing there? I said whoever you thought should have caught it easiest. It's like if a player scores on the wrong goal in basketball, the points go to the nearest defensive player. It is not that difficult. I know my post yesterday seemed one sided but it is frustrating when we use ERA to judge a pitcher's ability and they are punished when the defense misses an easy ball or is misaligned. I know in the long run it works itself out but not in the short term.
When you are on the road, I get that they want it to appear that their batter had a hit rather than ROE. I also know that most teams protect fielders more than pitchers. Errors on a fielder look worse than a hit on pitcher one scorer told me. I disagreed.
I also agree on the hitting for yourself as a pitcher rule. You actually can if you are a starter. A starter can be listed as pitcher and DH and can stay in the DH role after being pulled as a pitcher but not any other time.
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It sounds just like “the tie goes to the runner” which is another fable. The reality is most scorekeepers won’t rule an error if a defender doesn’t touch the ball. Absurd. I agree with you that in most cases it’s obvious which defensive player should receive the error; however, when it’s murky, it should be a team error. I heard Ben MacDonald voice the same opinion during the LSU game and was happy to hear someone agree with me. 🍊👍👊😀😃🍊
 
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preacherman20 said:
The rule actually does not say that but it is the interpretation of every scorekeeper. The rule says reasonably caught but missed should be an error but everyone interprets it, if a glove does not touch it is a hit. One told me years ago, who would you put the error on, in a situation where several are standing there? I said whoever you thought should have caught it easiest. It's like if a player scores on the wrong goal in basketball, the points go to the nearest defensive player. It is not that difficult. I know my post yesterday seemed one sided but it is frustrating when we use ERA to judge a pitcher's ability and they are punished when the defense misses an easy ball or is misaligned. I know in the long run it works itself out but not in the short term.
When you are on the road, I get that they want it to appear that their batter had a hit rather than ROE. I also know that most teams protect fielders more than pitchers. Errors on a fielder look worse than a hit on pitcher one scorer told me. I disagreed.
I also agree on the hitting for yourself as a pitcher rule. You actually can if you are a starter. A starter can be listed as pitcher and DH and can stay in the DH role after being pulled as a pitcher but not any other time.
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This is a bit off topic, but just curious… if a runner gets on base due to an error by the pitcher, does that run count against his ERA? My dad, the biggest baseball fan I’ve ever known, is rolling over in his grave that I don’t know this.
 
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No it does not count against the pitcher.
ERA is earned run average and the only runs that count toward ERA is runs that are recorded as hits and walks that are scored on. It gets very hard to tell about earned runs when an error occurs. Because, the short version, if that run from a following hit would have not scored if the error had been an out it does not count. It gets very complicated but is easy once you understand it and work through it a few times.
But I have always thought that an error by the pitcher should be counted as an earned run.
 
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No, because that happened in game 1 against LSU. Seth Halvorsen made the only error in the 8th and all three runs were unearned.
 
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I think the pitcher, when he becomes the defender, should have the same rules applied to him as every other defensive position. The run should be unearned unless you’re somehow holding the pitcher to a higher defensive standard than every other position. That seems awkward.
 
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I'm hugely pitcher friendly but when you cause your own run by an error it should count against you. Just a little quirk of mine. You were responsible for it which is what earned and unearned runs means. You earned the run by your mistake. Unearned means you were not responsible for the run but someone else so it makes sense in my mind. An error on a pitcher that scores is earned by the pitcher.
 
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taylorvol said:
It sounds just like “the tie goes to the runner” which is another fable. The reality is most scorekeepers won’t rule an error if a defender doesn’t touch the ball. Absurd. I agree with you that in most cases it’s obvious which defensive player should receive the error; however, when it’s murky, it should be a team error. I heard Ben MacDonald voice the same opinion during the LSU game and was happy to hear someone agree with me. 🍊👍👊😀😃🍊
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There are instances where players come nowhere close to making a play on the ball but should be ruled an error. An entire team could lose the ball in the lights and it be ruled a hit 🤭

 
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preacherman20 said:
It wasn't their fault. They put in new lights that week. ;););) But it was the funniest thing I have seen in a while. Ya'll talk about our mistakes. Can you imagine what their fans were saying.
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Just to remind everyone, they did it twice in the same inning 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 
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Am I correct that an error on what should have been a third out mean all runs scored thereafter are unearned?

Example: strikeout, strikeout, and third batter reaches on an error. Pitcher gives up 4 straight homers after that. All five runs are unearned because he should have been in the dugout after the third batter? Or is only the guy who reached on the error unearned, and 4 earned to the pitchers record?
 
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wtmvol said:
This is a bit off topic, but just curious… if a runner gets on base due to an error by the pitcher, does that run count against his ERA? My dad, the biggest baseball fan I’ve ever known, is rolling over in his grave that I don’t know this.
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Unearned runs does not count ERA I think in major leagues it doesnt
 
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