College Football Playoff Poll

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The funny thing is that people think that you can just flip a switch and viola, we have a playoff system and that’s not the case. No one takes into the financial and logistical complexities that go into the current college football post season. While it may work in some ways on a smaller scale, ie FCS, the sheer numbers of dollars and fans makes it a much larger challenge one that very well might not be overcome.

Even funnier is how fans want to point their hatred directly at the BCS as the uber bad discriminatory system when in actuality it was all of the Div 1 conferences, BCS and non BCS, that voted to create the BCS.
 
#3
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Not going to happen until the mafia controlled bowl system says so. They should at least do the plus one deal. A 4 team playoff is better than none.
 
#4
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Cartervol said:
Not going to happen until the mafia controlled bowl system says so. They should at least do the plus one deal. A 4 team playoff is better than any playoff bigger than that.
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Fixed. The worst thing would be a 16 team playoff, and 8 would be pushing it, IMO.
 
#5
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Yep. It's a complex deal that might never get worked out. The +1 (4 team playoff) system would be optimal in my opinion. You keep the "every game is a playoff" feeling of the regular season, but are still able to include all worthy teams 99% of the time.
 
#6
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Cartervol said:
Not going to happen until the mafia controlled bowl system says so. They should at least do the plus one deal. A 4 team playoff is better than none.
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And this is a prime example of the lack of knowledge of the public.

You're implying with your "mafia" reference that there is one central entity that controls the college football post season and that's not the case. Each bowl is independent and runs its own financials. the NCAA merely sanctions the games ie gives it their blessings. If the bowl fails, so what -no skin off the NCAA. Its up to each one to negotiate their own tv contracts, their own pay outs to schools, their own affiliation with conferences, and their own bottom line.

What many fail to realize that the college post season is about one thing and one thing only - money. How much does a game give each school that participates. That is what is doled out every summer in Destin.

The financial aspect is the overlying reason there is no college playoff in football. Period. No one has presented a plan that will ensure the schools, ALL the schools, will receive as much if not more than what they get now. You can 'guess' all you want that a playoff will generate more money but that's all it is - a guess. No tv has stepped up to say 'we will pay you $X for the current system but if you go to a playoff, we'll pay you $X+++'. Not a one. Right now the networks are already balking at paying for the BCS and its not because there's no playoff - its cause its sooooo darn expense. The last round of tv contracts negioations was the prime time for them to pitch it and they didnt. They know it wont work but that doesnt stop them from letting their mouthpieces bring it up. Why? because its good tv. It gives people a reason to talk college football in time when their is no college football.

Every year the ratings for college football rise. Every year the ratings for the BCS rise. Every year the payouts to teams/conferences rise. When you are making more money every year you dont buck the cycle. That's just smart business and that's what this is all about - the business of college football.
 
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kptvol said:
Yep. It's a complex deal that might never get worked out. The +1 (4 team playoff) system would be optimal in my opinion. You keep the "every game is a playoff" feeling of the regular season, but are still able to include all worthy teams 99% of the time.
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Here’s a reason why even that wont work. Take as an example a few years back Penn St. They finally came off their streak of bad years and won the Big 12 giving them the invite to Rose Bowl. I remember distinctly the announcers talking about the 30,000 fans that made the trek across the country for the game.
Question is if there were a +1 game and the championship game was in Miami (just for example), how many of those 30,000 would have made the trip to Los Angeles? Given the situation of I can go today to LA or I can roll the dice and hope for Miami, it would split the fan base. Sure some would go to LA, some would go to Miami, and some would go to both but very, very, very few would do both. It just would be too costly to the fan. I can only imagine the cost of Happy Valley to LA and back then trying one week later from Happy Valley to Miami on a less than 1 week notice. Do you really think the Rose Bowl and the city of LA would be willing to have a decrease in attendance and revenue just to have a +1 playoff game? Quick answer is no – they are a business and depend on the rears in seats and tax revenue.

PSU is one example. Now just imagine if it was something crazy like the U of Hawaii.
 
#9
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GreveHaller said:
Here’s a reason why even that wont work. Take as an example a few years back Penn St. They finally came off their streak of bad years and won the Big 12 giving them the invite to Rose Bowl. I remember distinctly the announcers talking about the 30,000 fans that made the trek across the country for the game.
Question is if there were a +1 game and the championship game was in Miami (just for example), how many of those 30,000 would have made the trip to Los Angeles? Given the situation of I can go today to LA or I can roll the dice and hope for Miami, it would split the fan base. Sure some would go to LA, some would go to Miami, and some would go to both but very, very, very few would do both. It just would be too costly to the fan. I can only imagine the cost of Happy Valley to LA and back then trying one week later from Happy Valley to Miami on a less than 1 week notice. Do you really think the Rose Bowl and the city of LA would be willing to have a decrease in attendance and revenue just to have a +1 playoff game? Quick answer is no – they are a business and depend on the rears in seats and tax revenue.

PSU is one example. Now just imagine if it was something crazy like the U of Hawaii.
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I think underestimate the fans. There would be enough fans to go to both games. We're not talking a 64 team playoff here.
 
#10
#10
I say we take the top 32 teams and go World Cup format! Can you imagine an extra month of football all day every day?!

:)
 
#11
#11
BartW said:
I say we take the top 32 teams and go World Cup format! Can you imagine an extra month of football all day every day?!

:)
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Don't we have that already with the bowl season?

Oh you mean a month of games that actually mean something...
 
#12
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think underestimate the fans. There would be enough fans to go to both games. We're not talking a 64 team playoff here.
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It very well could but I seriously doubt it. The reason is that currently when we go to a bowl game, they send out the info to all season tickets holders and in most cases we dont sell out the allotment of tickets. 100,000 tickets request sent out and maybe 20,000 accept. Maybe.

If we sold out our allotment everytime we went to a bowl game and their was a waiting list to get tickets, then you are correct. But we dont. We always hear about teams sending tickets back to the bowls because they didnt sell. Supply>Demand. When Demand>Supply then you get another game.

We had an anomaly last year with Atlanta but that was due to being absent from a bowl the previous year. Before that we gave tickets back for the Hall of Fame bowl and there were tons of empty seats in the stadium.
 
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#15
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kptvol said:
Yep. It's a complex deal that might never get worked out. The +1 (4 team playoff) system would be optimal in my opinion. You keep the "every game is a playoff" feeling of the regular season, but are still able to include all worthy teams 99% of the time.
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Completely agree. Any system that would have given a team like Iowa last year a chance to compete for the national title is not okay with me.
 
#16
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GreveHaller said:
It very well could but I seriously doubt it. The reason is that currently when we go to a bowl game, they send out the info to all season tickets holders and in most cases we dont sell out the allotment of tickets. 100,000 tickets request sent out and maybe 20,000 accept. Maybe.

If we sold out our allotment everytime we went to a bowl game and their was a waiting list to get tickets, then you are correct. But we dont. We always hear about teams sending tickets back to the bowls because they didnt sell. Supply>Demand. When Demand>Supply then you get another game.

We had an anomaly last year with Atlanta but that was due to being absent from a bowl the previous year. Before that we gave tickets back for the Hall of Fame bowl and there were tons of empty seats in the stadium.
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Yes but you are comparing a subpar bowl game with a playoff game. Not nearly the same thing at all.
 
#18
#18
i'm happy with the current bowl system but they should just add a final 4 (top 4 teams) to playoff for the title....cause something tells me if they went to a full 8 or 16 team playoff they'd find a way to mess it up.
 
#19
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yes but you are comparing a subpar bowl game with a playoff game. Not nearly the same thing at all.
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So your theory is if the game really meant something then the fans would show up much more?

Because if that's so, then again its a case of reality vs theory. Yes in theory a better game or a "game that mattered" should draw a much larger crowd but in reality it doesnt.

Proof: all you have to do is look at the poster child of playoffs otherwise known as March Madness. Our Vols played San Diego St in the first round in Providence, RI in this game where winner advances/loser goes home. In this game that mattered the attendance for the game was........10,788. Yes, a little over 10k. That's pathetic. To make it even more pathetic, this isnt the attendance for 1 game against 2 teams. This was for 8 teams playing 4 games. Roughly 1,312 fans per team. If 8 teams cant even fill a 12,500 seat arena for a game that matters, why the heck would the ADs want to switch? Again, it does not make fiscal sense.

So was the regional round any better? This time 4 teams (Vols, OSU, MSU, N Iowa) play in St Louis in a dome that seats 66,000 and the attendance for the first two games was 26,377. That's a bit over 6500 fans per team for a game that means even more.

Thing is that a playoff involving playing game(s) in a neutral location just doesnt bring in the fans. Just like us given the choice of going to Providence RI or waiting for St Louis is the same as even a +1 game of choosing between New Orleans or Los Angeles. The facts overriding the theory.
 
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#20
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PLAYOFFS??????? Why would we do that.

Playoffs would cause us to have a TRUE undisputed Champion like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NCAA Baketball,baseball,hockey,etc....

I think writers and coaches voting on the champion is way better.

DISCLAIMER: If you are about to post a response bashing me because you didn't pick up on the obvious criticism you need to 1. Don't and 2. go play in traffic because you are an IDIOT.
 
#21
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kptvol said:
Yep. It's a complex deal that might never get worked out. The +1 (4 team playoff) system would be optimal in my opinion. You keep the "every game is a playoff" feeling of the regular season, but are still able to include all worthy teams 99% of the time.
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A +1 system makes sense on just about every level as far as being a compromise and the ease of implementation. And they are already playing a BCS Championship game several days after the rest of the BCS games anyway, so it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to push that game back a few days to accommodate the winners from the "final 4".
 
#22
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VOLS INC. said:
PLAYOFFS??????? Why would we do that.

Playoffs would cause us to have a TRUE undisputed Champion like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NCAA Baketball,baseball,hockey,etc....

I think writers and coaches voting on the champion is way better.

DISCLAIMER: If you are about to post a response bashing me because you didn't pick up on the obvious criticism you need to 1. Don't and 2. go play in traffic because you are an IDIOT.
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LMAO. In one sentence you bash cfb because they dont choose their champion the way others do then in another sentence you want to say the one's mentioned pick their champions the same way. And then want to call people idiots. Classic

Within the group listed, there are ZERO consistancies. Some are single elimination games, some are series of games. The numbers invited are anywhere from 4 to 8 to 16 to even 64 teams. Some are only conferences champions, some are a multitude of at large bids regardless of standings. In the end, the way each of those choses their champion isnt the same....and neither is cfb.

I guess using your logic, we've never had a true NCAA basketball champion because its single elimination but the NBA is a best of series.

You must have mentioned playing in traffic from personal experience.
 
#23
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GreveHaller said:
LMAO. In one sentence you bash cfb because they dont choose their champion the way others do then in another sentence you want to say the one's mentioned pick their champions the same way. And then want to call people idiots. Classic

Within the group listed, there are ZERO consistancies. Some are single elimination games, some are series of games. The numbers invited are anywhere from 4 to 8 to 16 to even 64 teams. Some are only conferences champions, some are a multitude of at large bids regardless of standings. In the end, the way each of those choses their champion isnt the same....and neither is cfb.

I guess using your logic, we've never had a true NCAA basketball champion because its single elimination but the NBA is a best of series.

You must have mentioned playing in traffic from personal experience.
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WE HAVE A WINNER FOR THE "MOST SPECIAL" POSTER EVER.
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What are you talkin about.

Let me help you read and understand my original Post

PLAYOFFS??????? Why would we do that. ( SARCASTIC STATEMENT)

Playoffs would cause us to have a TRUE undisputed Champion like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NCAA Baketball,baseball,hockey,etc....
( SEE UP TO THIS POINT I AM SUPPORTING A PLAYOFF/TOURNAMENT TYPE SYSTEM USING A SARCASTIC WAY TO EXPRESS IT. I AM IN FAVOR OF A PLAYOFF/TOURNAMENT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU AN UNDISPUTED CHAMPION AND THESE ARE THE PROMINENT LEAGUES/ASSOCIATIONS THAT USES THEM)

I think writers and coaches voting on the champion is way better.
( ME MAKING FUN OF THE WAY THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS)
DISCLAIMER: If you are about to post a response bashing me because you didn't pick up on the obvious criticism you need to 1. Don't and 2. go play in traffic because you are an IDIOT.
( A DISCLAIMER FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO LACK THE BRAIN POWER TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE " I THINK WRITERS AND COACHES VOTING ON THE CHAMPION IS WAY BETTER" WAS A SARCASTIC STATEMENT SO DON'T REPLY BACK SERIOUSLY LIKE YOU DID)
 
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