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Could this happen...it makes too much sence not to happen someday.

1. But it's far more fun to debate about what might have been, right?

By Pete Fiutak

We have met the face of the enemy, and he is beatable.

New BCS Executive Director, Bill Hancock, was on the Dan Patrick radio show last week and was laughably awful in his lobbying for the idea that a college football playoff wasn’t necessary. To sum up the interview, Hancock has no tangible reason why college football doesn’t have a playoff other than the tired old party lines of “the bowl system is working” and lip-service about academics and logistics. He also had the head-slapping moment of saying the bowl system is good because it allows players to enjoy themselves, like the Virginia Tech players who got to jet-ski in Miami last year. Ask Cincinnati players if they’d rather go body surfing before the Orange Bowl or have a chance at a national title by playing in a playoff.

Go ahead and just say that the BCS head honchos don’t want a playoff because the bowls are making lots and lots of money and no one in a position of real power wants to change the status quo, and say that the college presidents and athletic directors don’t want one because there will be more pressure on their jobs. I can buy that. I don’t agree with it, but I’ll accept the basic notion of acting out of self-interest. But in lieu of the truth, have an answer. A real one.

Playoff backers, let me be the one to try to lead the charge. If you want a more satisfying end to the college football season, I’ll provide you with the ammunition to fight any anti-playoff head out there, and there is no reasonable or rational counter-argument (believe me, I've seen them all). And away we go.

Anti-Playoff Argument No. 1: What’s the playoff going to be? No one can agree on the right system.

Hancock floated this idea out there, and that means that he just isn’t trying. Four teams are too few and would create more controversy, 16 teams are too many and it would devalue the regular season. As we’ve been screaming about for over the last decade, make it eight team using the six BCS conference champions, the top ranked non-BCS conference winner, and one wild-card being the top ranked team left on the board. Fine, so Boise State would have a beef this season, with the Florida/Alabama loser likely to get the wild card, but if the price that needs to be paid is missing one deserving team once in a while, then so be it. It beats having six grouchy teams at the end of the year.

The key to this playoff plan is two-fold. First, it keeps the integrity of the regular season intact, and even enhances it. How much more intense would Oklahoma – Texas, Florida – Alabama, and in normal years, Michigan – Ohio State be if they were for a playoff spot as well as a conference title? If anything, this idea would make for more interesting non-conference matchups because there’d be no reason to schedule a slew of cupcakes. All that matters is winning the conference title, and if a team can’t do that, it doesn’t deserve to play for the national championship (a simple fact lost on every other sport and their respective playoffs). Second, it keeps the playoff down to an easy three-week tournament.

Anti-Playoff Argument No. 2: The bowls. The bowl people want to keep the train rolling, and a playoff would kill one of college football’s greatest traditions. Who would care about the bowls if there was a playoff?

Who cares about the GMAC Bowl now? The same people who care about the Alamo, Gator, Texas, and every other bowl in between will still care when there’s a playoff, if not more so. It’s this simple. There are 34 bowls right now, and seven of them (BCS Championship, Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Cotton, and the Capital One) would be used for the playoff. More on that in a moment. That leaves 27 bowls that need attention, teams and love. Make it a Bowlapalooza as a fantastic lead-in before the main event. Start the bowl season on Saturday, December 12th (using this year as an example), Heisman Day, with the first three bowls of the season. Pack in 27 bowl games over a 14-day span providing a primetime showcase every night but Sunday (the NFL) for two bowl games, with Saturdays being a smorgasbord. College fans will love it, and all sports fans will watch … what else is there to do?

Anti-Playoff Argument No. 3: Logistically, how would the actual playoff work, and would fans travel to the early games?

Do fans travel to the first round sites for the NCAA basketball tournament? A college playoff would be so big that the venues would have no problems getting people to show up.

Does anyone really care if the Fiesta Bowl isn’t on New Year’s Day? No one complained about the Orange getting moved, and no one will have a problem if on Saturday, December 25th (again, using this year as an example), the playoffs start at 10 a.m. EST with the first, first-round game being played in the Capital One. After that game ends, plan on Game Two, the Sugar Bowl, starting at 2 pm EST. Game Three, the Cotton Bowl, would start at 6 pm EST, and to cap things off, the Fiesta Bowl would start at 10 EST (it’s Saturday night and all kids will be off school … they can stay up late). If you’re not at least slightly daydreamy about the idea of first-round day of playoffs like this on a late December Saturday, then I can’t help you. New Year’s Day would give the Orange and the Rose the national semifinal games, and then seven days later would be the National Championship, which would move around the country like the Final Four does now.

Logistically, the entire bowl season would go through the same time frame it’s on right now, but would start a week earlier, it wouldn’t interfere with the NFL, and college football would be to late December what the first two weeks of March are to college basketball … only tenfold.

Anti-Playoff Argument No. 4: But what about the academics. We can’t mess with finals.

No one is in school when the playoffs would start. Like anyone worried about whether or not North Carolina and Michigan State were fully focused on their mid-terms during the six-week run from the conference tournaments to the college basketball national championship starting late last February through early April.

Anti-Playoff Argument No. 5: That’s too much football for the players. If the SEC and Big 12 champions play for the national title, they’d each end up playing 16 games.

No one seems to worry about that when it comes to the FCS, D-II, and D-III playoffs, and there’s a nice gap of time between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoffs. Most teams would get close to four weeks off to rest up and get healthy. These are 18-to-22-year-old kids; they'd be early-August fresh. Again, the season would end the same time it does now and wouldn’t screw up the NFL scouting and preparation process.

Anti-Playoff Argument No. 6: What about the fun of the bowl? According to Hancock, “(the bowl) experience is a lifetime experience, and it’s much better (than a playoff).”

Football players want to play football; they don’t care about the luaus. The 27 other bowls would create those experiences and memories for the players … and they’d all rather be in the playoffs.

Hancock went on with Patrick to say that “hypothetical playoffs are great on paper, but in reality, when you drill down into the details, they’re very difficult.” Bill, Mr. Hancock, I just did it and I kept it, for the most part, within the current construct of the bowl system that’s in place right now.

There’s no playoff because you are lazy and because you’re not doing your job, even though you’ve been at it for about ten minutes. It’s your job to make money for everyone, and this would do that. It’s your job to keep the bowls happy, and this would make them bigger. It’s your job to make the sport of college football better. Get smarter. Get it done.
 
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A playoff should be 4-8 teams with no autobids. Clemson should not have any chance to play for a national title. I'd like to see a 4 team playoff, but 6 wouldn't be too bad. Also, drop conference championship games, or make everyone play one.
 
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The plus one would basically make it a 4 team playoff. I'd take that over what is in place now. Some years it wouldn't be necessary, but it would be in place if you wind up with two unbeaten teams at the end of the year. I like the 8 team deal also. They need something better than the BCS, still caters a bias towards certain teams, no matter how much computer garbage you want to throw at it.
 
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I actually think a plus 1 may be the best thing. The Big 10 and PAC 10 said they were against it. Doesn't surprise me because neither conference really wants to have to prove themselves in big games.
 
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Ahh...the academics....what a crock. Baseball players miss a TON more school than a football player ever misses.

The fun of the bowls....again, even with the playoffs, the bowls aren't going anywhere. Why they keep repeating this retarded point is beyond me. That and the "who would care about the bowls with a playoff"...no one cares about 90% of them now.

And finally the "too much football", made by the same people who sanctioned conference championship games and a 12th regular season game. Yeah you really seem to care about that too much football stuff genius.

Just do a Plus 1 already.
 
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I actually think a plus 1 may be the best thing. The Big 10 and PAC 10 said they were against it. Doesn't surprise me because neither conference really wants to have to prove themselves in big games.

Yeah they were also brought kicking and screaming into the BCS, and complained about non Big 10 and non Pac 10 teams playing in the Rose Bowl.

I say screw 'em. If they don't want to be a part of it, then fine, a PAC 10 and Big 10 team won't be part of the national title each year.
 
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I like the idea of a 16 team tourney....giving each conference champion a bid and the rest an at-large bid (based upon current BCS standings) For example:

(1)Florida(SEC Champion)
(16)C.Michigan(MAAC Champion)

(8)Ohio St(Big Ten Champion)
(9)Iowa(At Large)

(5)Cincinnati(Big East Champion)
(12)Virginia Tech(At Large)

(4)TCU(Mount. West Champion)
(13)LSU(At Large)

(6)Boise ST.(WAC Champion)
(11)Penn ST.(At Large)

(3)Alabama(At Large)
(14)Houston(Conference USA Champion)

(7)Oregon(PAC-10 Champion)
(10)Georgia Tech(ACC Champion)

(2)Texas(Big-12 Champion)
(15)Troy(Sun Belt Champion)
 
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I like the idea of a 16 team tourney....giving each conference champion a bid and the rest an at-large bid (based upon current BCS standings) For example:

(1)Florida(SEC Champion)
(16)C.Michigan(MAAC Champion)

(8)Ohio St(Big Ten Champion)
(9)Iowa(At Large)

(5)Cincinnati(Big East Champion)
(12)Virginia Tech(At Large)

(4)TCU(Mount. West Champion)
(13)LSU(At Large)

(6)Boise ST.(WAC Champion)
(11)Penn ST.(At Large)

(3)Alabama(At Large)
(14)Houston(Conference USA Champion)

(7)Oregon(PAC-10 Champion)
(10)Georgia Tech(ACC Champion)

(2)Texas(Big-12 Champion)
(15)Troy(Sun Belt Champion)

It takes away the significance from the regular season. Sure it would provide a lot of excitement, but this isn't college hoops.
 
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If you go to 16 then you pretty much are setting up that the first round the higher seed hosts. Not that I have a problem with it but people would complain.
 
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I like the idea of a 16 team tourney....giving each conference champion a bid and the rest an at-large bid (based upon current BCS standings) For example:

(1)Florida(SEC Champion)
(16)C.Michigan(MAAC Champion)

(8)Ohio St(Big Ten Champion)
(9)Iowa(At Large)

(5)Cincinnati(Big East Champion)
(12)Virginia Tech(At Large)

(4)TCU(Mount. West Champion)
(13)LSU(At Large)

(6)Boise ST.(WAC Champion)
(11)Penn ST.(At Large)

(3)Alabama(At Large)
(14)Houston(Conference USA Champion)

(7)Oregon(PAC-10 Champion)
(10)Georgia Tech(ACC Champion)

(2)Texas(Big-12 Champion)
(15)Troy(Sun Belt Champion)


The only prayer for that to work is for the playoff games to be played at the higher seeded team's stadium. Can't do it like the NCAAs, which is based on tv revenue, not attendance at Round I and II games.

No one in Miami is going to show up to see the Orange Bowl playoff game between Troy and Texas. Maybe 10,000 people go to that game.

Its got to be at the big dog's house.
 
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It takes away the significance from the regular season. Sure it would provide a lot of excitement, but this isn't college hoops.

I have never understood this statement. If you need to win your conference to get an automatic bid, wouldn't that make the regular season very important?
 
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The only prayer for that to work is for the playoff games to be played at the higher seeded team's stadium. Can't do it like the NCAAs, which is based on tv revenue, not attendance at Round I and II games.

No one in Miami is going to show up to see the Orange Bowl playoff game between Troy and Texas. Maybe 10,000 people go to that game.

Its got to be at the big dog's house.
This is pretty much the argument for not making it such a big tournament. The plus 1 is the only likely change in the next few years.
 
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I like the idea of a 16 team tourney....giving each conference champion a bid and the rest an at-large bid (based upon current BCS standings) For example:

(1)Florida(SEC Champion)
(16)C.Michigan(MAAC Champion)

(8)Ohio St(Big Ten Champion)
(9)Iowa(At Large)

(5)Cincinnati(Big East Champion)
(12)Virginia Tech(At Large)

(4)TCU(Mount. West Champion)
(13)LSU(At Large)

(6)Boise ST.(WAC Champion)
(11)Penn ST.(At Large)

(3)Alabama(At Large)
(14)Houston(Conference USA Champion)

(7)Oregon(PAC-10 Champion)
(10)Georgia Tech(ACC Champion)

(2)Texas(Big-12 Champion)
(15)Troy(Sun Belt Champion)
That would be terrible. Imagine an Iron Bowl where Saban decides to sit all of his starters, simply because it doesn't matter if Bama wins or not.
 
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This is pretty much the argument for not making it such a big tournament. The plus 1 is the only likely change in the next few years.

And that one is going to be extremely hard to put in, because they're already afraid if they do that it will lead to an 8 team playoff.

Heck they're too scared to even call Plus 1 what it really is, a 4 team playoff.
 
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That would be terrible. Imagine an Iron Bowl where Saban decides to sit all of his starters, simply because it doesn't matter if Bama wins or not.

8 is what I'd say is the perfect number. 16 is too many.

8 teams from 120 schools means the regular season is still important because even in that scenario you get more than 1 loss and you're still likely out, just like now.
 
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And that one is going to be extremely hard to put in, because they're already afraid if they do that it will lead to an 8 team playoff.

Heck they're too scared to even call Plus 1 what it really is, a 4 team playoff.
That's true. Makes no sense to let human polls and computers decide who the best team is though. Should be decided on the field.
 
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8 is what I'd say is the perfect number. 16 is too many.

8 teams from 120 schools means the regular season is still important because even in that scenario you get more than 1 loss and you're still likely out, just like now.
But then a champion from a weaker conference would complain about not getting in.
 
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I do agree that there has to be some way to do it without giving the crap conferences and automatic bid. You could just do the top 6 in the BCS and give 1 and 2 a bye since they should be rewarded for the best seasons...
 
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I have never understood this statement. If you need to win your conference to get an automatic bid, wouldn't that make the regular season very important?
If you've already won the conference, it would make the last game or 2 irrelevant.
 
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A lot of great rivalries are the last week of the season. A lot of those games would potentially become pointless if backups were in.
 

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