Comparing '13-'14 to Previous Seasons

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Not a regular poster, so half of you can ignore this ;)

I keep hearing on the radio that this team is scoring more than CBP's teams scored in his last 3 seasons as justification for this team doing okay.

While this is technically true... I think this is missing kind of a major point about the quality of opponent you are scoring those points against.

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During CBP's tenure UT's RPI averaged 15.5. During CCM it is averaging 60.67 (with 51 for this season, forgot to update the spreadsheet).

One would think if you are playing an easier schedule that you would score more points against that schedule. (Yes, I know RPI isn't straight SOS, but a decent indicator of SOS as well.)

Instead what we are seeing is the opposite. Under CBP we scored more points (on average) each year while playing a significantly more difficult RPI schedule than what we've done with CCM.

Again I'm no basketball expert, but I think fan frustration doesn't stem from CCM, but from our inability to win a significant game, push our RPI into solid tournament territory, and to avoid punching our 3rd straight NIT ticket. (That and CCM is so even-keeled that he doesn't react when the team is dragging or when we're getting worked by refs a la Kentucky.)

Thoughts or ban? :hi:

Edit: To be clear, I'm not advocating we ONLY look at CBP. I understand politically that is near impossible at UT. Just pointing out the justification for praising this year isn't, based on the above data, justifiable in my opinion.
 
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Politically it would be impossible to bring CBP back, but there's a guy out in Wichita who's got the #5 ranked, undefeated team in country, who's interviewed twice at UT and been passed over. If Cuonzo doesn't make the tourney then I say then I say we make a serious run at Gregg Marshall.
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
Not a regular poster, so half of you can ignore this ;)

I keep hearing on the radio that this team is scoring more than CBP's teams scored in his last 3 seasons as justification for this team doing okay.

While this is technically true... I think this is missing kind of a major point about the quality of opponent you are scoring those points against.

u8sJBRB.png


During CBP's tenure UT's RPI averaged 15.5. During CCM it is averaging 60.67 (with 51 for this season, forgot to update the spreadsheet).

One would think if you are playing an easier schedule that you would score more points against that schedule. (Yes, I know RPI isn't straight SOS, but a decent indicator of SOS as well.)

Instead what we are seeing is the opposite. Under CBP we scored more points (on average) each year while playing a significantly more difficult RPI schedule than what we've done with CCM.

Again I'm no basketball expert, but I think fan frustration doesn't stem from CCM, but from our inability to win a significant game, push our RPI into solid tournament territory, and to avoid punching our 3rd straight NIT ticket. (That and CCM is so even-keeled that he doesn't react when the team is dragging or when we're getting worked by refs a la Kentucky.)

Thoughts or ban? :hi:

Edit: To be clear, I'm not advocating we ONLY look at CBP. I understand politically that is near impossible at UT. Just pointing out the justification for praising this year isn't, based on the above data, justifiable in my opinion.
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You do realize that a certain poster on this board will flood you with 9,876 pages of statistics to prove how Martins sos is 10 times better than Pearl,s. And of course 1346 pages showing how CCM's rpi average is also better than Pearl's. Enjoy wading through because it can get pretty deep. lol
 
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knowthevols said:
You do realize that a certain poster on this board will flood you with 9,876 pages of statistics to prove how Martins sos is 10 times better than Pearl,s. And of course 1346 pages showing how CCM's rpi average is also better than Pearl's. Enjoy wading through because it can get pretty deep. lol
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True, so they should just compare win/loss records and /end discussion :peace2:
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
Not a regular poster, so half of you can ignore this ;)

I keep hearing on the radio that this team is scoring more than CBP's teams scored in his last 3 seasons as justification for this team doing okay.

While this is technically true... I think this is missing kind of a major point about the quality of opponent you are scoring those points against.

u8sJBRB.png


During CBP's tenure UT's RPI averaged 15.5. During CCM it is averaging 60.67 (with 51 for this season, forgot to update the spreadsheet).

One would think if you are playing an easier schedule that you would score more points against that schedule. (Yes, I know RPI isn't straight SOS, but a decent indicator of SOS as well.)

Instead what we are seeing is the opposite. Under CBP we scored more points (on average) each year while playing a significantly more difficult RPI schedule than what we've done with CCM.

Again I'm no basketball expert, but I think fan frustration doesn't stem from CCM, but from our inability to win a significant game, push our RPI into solid tournament territory, and to avoid punching our 3rd straight NIT ticket. (That and CCM is so even-keeled that he doesn't react when the team is dragging or when we're getting worked by refs a la Kentucky.)

Thoughts or ban? :hi:

Edit: To be clear, I'm not advocating we ONLY look at CBP. I understand politically that is near impossible at UT. Just pointing out the justification for praising this year isn't, based on the above data, justifiable in my opinion.
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Uh oh, there are gonna be some that will be offended by these facts. Good post. Post more often!
 
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Sos had to be much higher under Pearl. That was one thing I liked about Pearl was the OOC schedule was one of the toughest in the country.
 
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Look at the clear improvment under Martin his rpi has went up each year and so has his ppg! CCM greater than Pearl! #TougherBreed #mumblemumbledefense
 
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TNRazor said:
Politically it would be impossible to bring CBP back, but there's a guy out in Wichita who's got the #5 ranked, undefeated team in country, who's interviewed twice at UT and been passed over. If Cuonzo doesn't make the tourney then I say then I say we make a serious run at Gregg Marshall.
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Marshall would be a great hire, but I doubt he'd give UT a 3rd chance.
 
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TNRazor said:
Politically it would be impossible to bring CBP back, but there's a guy out in Wichita who's got the #5 ranked, undefeated team in country, who's interviewed twice at UT and been passed over. If Cuonzo doesn't make the tourney then I say then I say we make a serious run at Gregg Marshall.
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If Gregg Marshall were to be interviewed then the powers to be in the UT AD should not return to campus without him in tow and a contract signed. Period. I'm tired of hearing he doesn't "interview" well. What the hell does that even mean in a job like coaching? The man's resume speaks for itself, even outside of his Final 4 run.
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
Not a regular poster, so half of you can ignore this ;)

I keep hearing on the radio that this team is scoring more than CBP's teams scored in his last 3 seasons as justification for this team doing okay.

While this is technically true... I think this is missing kind of a major point about the quality of opponent you are scoring those points against.

u8sJBRB.png


During CBP's tenure UT's RPI averaged 15.5. During CCM it is averaging 60.67 (with 51 for this season, forgot to update the spreadsheet).

One would think if you are playing an easier schedule that you would score more points against that schedule. (Yes, I know RPI isn't straight SOS, but a decent indicator of SOS as well.)

Instead what we are seeing is the opposite. Under CBP we scored more points (on average) each year while playing a significantly more difficult RPI schedule than what we've done with CCM.

Again I'm no basketball expert, but I think fan frustration doesn't stem from CCM, but from our inability to win a significant game, push our RPI into solid tournament territory, and to avoid punching our 3rd straight NIT ticket. (That and CCM is so even-keeled that he doesn't react when the team is dragging or when we're getting worked by refs a la Kentucky.)

Thoughts or ban? :hi:

Edit: To be clear, I'm not advocating we ONLY look at CBP. I understand politically that is near impossible at UT. Just pointing out the justification for praising this year isn't, based on the above data, justifiable in my opinion.
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Our sos is 11 this year matching Bruce's high so your whole thread is wrong.
 
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