Complete utter disgrace and you shouldnt accept it!

[Cyclopskiller]

Tiny should be benched, he's doing more damage than good.the only thing he's good for is running his mouth..

 

[A_Vol_n_Hog_Country]

What we have is a failure to communicate. This team has some talent, but not real talent at the skill positions. And we lack speed in a big way. Speed kills. You can not teach speed. Either you have it or you don't. If you think this team, one year into a new program, is just as talented as a Missouri team that has been in the same program for 4 or 5 years, you are insane.

Your right, you can't teach speed but you can put your players in position to make a play by coaching and playing calling.

I think Butch has done a heck of a job recruiting and I believe the talent he has recruited will get us some more wins each year. However, you can have a ton of talent and never win the big game. You also need a coach and coordinators that can make adjustments before and during the game to have a chance. Great example is Mark Richt he has a ton of talent each year but never quite makes it to the top.

I think it will take some time to know exactly what we have with this staff on the field but with the recruiting that they've been able to accomplish nobody should be calling for their jobs until we see thier players in place. Just my :twocents:

 

[sjt18]

Who says that Missouri has marginal talent? You? What authority do you have?

Mizzou has marginal talent... according to what they did vs the Big 12, according to the recruiting analysts, and even according to draft analysts. UT has more guys starting right now with NFL futures than Mizzou does.

What I saw Saturday was a fast/quick defensive line, that caused havoc every play.

I saw a bunch of athletically superior OL's doing their best matador impressions.... though the pass pro was not horrible much of the game.

I saw big tall fast receivers that blew by our secondary like they were standing still. Missouri has talent. Don't kid yourself.

They got behind UT's secondary on the one long pass. The other was a huge busted coverage. They didn't "blow by" UT's secondary.

FWIW, it was a near identical bust to one UT had in a recent game on the same pass pattern.

 

[Cyclopskiller]

"you won't say that to his face".... Yeah, yeah. I got it.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Mizzou has marginal talent... according to what they did vs the Big 12, according to the recruiting analysts, and even according to draft analysts. UT has more guys starting right now with NFL futures than Mizzou does.

I saw a bunch of athletically superior OL's doing their best matador impressions.... though the pass pro was not horrible much of the game.



They got behind UT's secondary on the one long pass. The other was a huge busted coverage. They didn't "blow by" UT's secondary.

FWIW, it was a near identical bust to one UT had in a recent game on the same pass pattern.

The Big12 was three years ago. If that's the case you may as well say that TAMU has no talent either. You can take marginal talent with two years of good coaching and accomplish a lot. It appears that you don't know much about football. There was a blown coverage. One where the receiver blew past the secondary. One slip screen where the receiver out ran the defense across the field. That sir is a lack of speed.

 

[sjt18]

Listen Champ, please let me know which team in College Football history have winning seasons after 4 head coaching changes in 5 years and in some cases 5 out of 5 position coaches.

Do you really want me to? The list of coaches who made immediate improvements to w/l records in their first year following the firing of a coach for performance is MUCH longer than the list of those who didn't... regardless of the circumstances. Make excuses all yoiu want.

Now after multiple losing seasons, our current strength of schedule, poor recruiting classes, and a coaching change, realistically, where should our expectations be at currently? Please explain? Otherwise, stay motivated, give it time and Go Vols!

Where should it be? It should at LEAST be to the level of talent on the team and if you are the right coach to win championships it should be more.

He gets time. Jones is HC for at least 3 years barring legal/ethical troubles which I would not foresee. That does not mean that the actual coaching performances NOW are off limits to criticism.

A coaching decision cost UT a chance to win at UF. But I for one respect Jones for trying to spark the O.

The UGA game was obviously a tough but productive loss.

But this staff has laid an absolute egg three times this year- Oregon, Bama, and MU. Not that they necessarily should have won any much less all... but they should not have been so completely uncompetitive.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Do you really want me to? The list of coaches who made immediate improvements to w/l records in their first year following the firing of a coach for performance is MUCH longer than the list of those who didn't... regardless of the circumstances. Make excuses all yoiu want.



Where should it be? It should at LEAST be to the level of talent on the team and if you are the right coach to win championships it should be more.

He gets time. Jones is HC for at least 3 years barring legal/ethical troubles which I would not foresee. That does not mean that the actual coaching performances NOW are off limits to criticism.

A coaching decision cost UT a chance to win at UF. But I for one respect Jones for trying to spark the O.

The UGA game was obviously a tough but productive loss.

But this staff has laid an absolute egg three times this year- Oregon, Bama, and MU. Not that they necessarily should have won any much less all... but they should not have been so completely uncompetitive.

He will get as much time as the University sees fit. You act as if you are in a position of authority. We, as a University can not afford (financially and talent-wise) to continue to go through coaches. We could've had General Neyland and Vince Lombardi coaching against Oregon, Bama, and MU and we still would've lost.

You have this skewed notion that we have more talent than we do. Our talent is marginal at best, and our depth is horrible. This is 2013 not 1998. I think you may be kidding yourself a little.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

Thank God someone has the balls to call a disgraceful game exactly what it is. At least I saw the embarrassment on Butch's face and I think he will turn it around.

I was waiting when somebody else would come to their senses! Our fanbase continues to be soft and accepts mediocrity.

AGAIN PEOPLE...I DIDNT EXPECT US TO WIN THE GAME!! RE-READ THE POST!

 

[knoxvols11]

I'm in complete and total agreement as the OP!

 

[sjt18]

The Big12 was three years ago. If that's the case you may as well say that TAMU has no talent either.

Don't be dense. Only the truly delusional cannot see TAM's recruiting success compared to UT's.

And please don't give me the "Wait til Jones is able to recruit some players" out of one side of your mouth while claiming that recruiting analyses do no matter when they relate to MU's talent.

You can take marginal talent with two years of good coaching and accomplish a lot.

You can take better talent in 10 months and accomplish a good bit.

It appears that you don't know much about football.

Yeah. Obviously if I disagree with someone so brilliant as yourself then I cannot possibly know anything about football.

Don't try to poison the well with that non-sense. I know a good bit about football... organizational change... change management... and various other topics that relate directly to what is going on right now with UT football.

There was a blown coverage.

That looked nearly identical to another recent blown coverage but duplicating the same mistake on the same pattern should NEVER be a cause to question the coaching, right?

One where the receiver blew past the secondary.

No. He didn't. That was a very good throw by Mauk because there wasn't just huge separation.

One slip screen where the receiver out ran the defense across the field. That sir is a lack of speed.

LOL... and you question MY lack of football knowledge? No. That is a LACK OF BEING IN POSITION TO MAKE A PLAY and POOR TACKLING... sir.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

I agree completely. Not winning against a Top 10 team in their house is one thing, but getting waxed like we're a FCS or Div. 2 team is another.

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE whatsoever for the way we got annihilated by Mizzou. NONE !!!

Every sunshine pumper, excuse making, apologist post I see on the board after a pitiful performance like that is utterly sickening.

My man!! These flowers and rainbow fans are in denial. We are just telling it like it is and they don't like it!!

 

[sjt18]

He will get as much time as the University sees fit. You act as if you are in a position of authority.

Don't be a moron, OK? I've acted no such way. He will get 3 years because that's pretty much the standard amount of time a coach gets anywhere before people WITH authority will consider change. I did say "at least"... right?

We, as a University can not afford (financially and talent-wise) to continue to go through coaches. We could've had General Neyland and Vince Lombardi coaching against Oregon, Bama, and MU and we still would've lost.

A better coaching effort beats MU. A better coaching effort makes the other two look at least somewhat competitive.

UT is on the coaching carousel. Bama has been there. UGA has been there. LSU has. USC has. Clemson has. OSU and Michigan have.

You don't know until it happens when you get off. What you DO see with programs that become successful from that situation is an unwillingness to keep bad or even mediocre coaches. Mike Shula was the son of a legend, former Bama QB, and a favored son... they canned him after 4 years.

You have this skewed notion that we have more talent than we do.

Nope. You have skewed your opinion of the talent to maintain an excuse for a lack of progress.

Our talent is marginal at best, and our depth is horrible.

The raw talent and depth are better than Mizzou's. It just is.

This is 2013 not 1998. I think you may be kidding yourself a little.

Hey "Champ". For the LAST TIME... NO ONE is asking for a SEC or National Championship. Just a credible effort in line with or better than the talent the coaches have to work with. If the coaching effort vs MU makes you feel good and hopeful... then knock yourself out with that kind of delusional thinking. My eyes are still open.

I WANT Jones to succeed every bit as much as you do. But I want to see a quality product... not words and promises.... much less excuses.

BTW, didn't Jones tell us that the Oregon effort was unacceptable? Yet we saw the same vs Bama and now Mizzou. I guess you all will find another excuse for that too....

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

My man!! These flowers and rainbow fans are in denial. We are just telling it like it is and they don't like it!!

Dude, you are from Detroit. All you know is misery and pain.

 

[onevolfan]

Im ready to hear all the excuses in the world after that DISGRACEFUL display of football on Saturday. Now, I knew we really didn't have a chance at winning that game, and that's fine. But, you're telling me that we couldn't even score a touchdown...ONE TOUCHDOWN?!!! Speed or not enough speed, this is THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE! We aren't UTEP or some cupcake that rolls into Faurot Field, but that's how we played and its unacceptable! Our Vols played scrared and like little b#%tches. Tiny Richardson and Josh Smith need to get their act together. That drop for a TD was pitiful!

I know Ill get crucified for bi t ch ing and moaning and being negative but somebody has to step up once and a while and do it....ITS NEEDED! Quit coddling this team and making excuses for them. Again, I don't care that we lost..it was to be expected. But, for that team to come out and bumble the way they did is inexcusable. CJB knows it and it showed on his face the whole night. He looked so red in the face because he and our fans were embarrassed! I guarantee Dooley would have scored ONE touchdown with this same team..and hes the worst coach ever to walk the sidelines.

Yes, I will be happy with a 6-6 record and a bowl game win considering our brutal schedule. But, that performance was unacceptable and its alarming.

I highly doubt that. Heck even Palardy would have missed that field goal under Doofus.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

Being a diehard Lions fan has definitely been miserable and painful Ever notice how the people that root for Northern/Midwest/East coast teams have more ballz and get down on their teams?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Don't be a moron, OK? I've acted no such way. He will get 3 years because that's pretty much the standard amount of time a coach gets anywhere before people WITH authority will consider change. I did say "at least"... right? A better coaching effort beats MU. A better coaching effort makes the other two look at least somewhat competitive.

UT is on the coaching carousel. Bama has been there. UGA has been there. LSU has. USC has. Clemson has. OSU and Michigan have.

You don't know until it happens when you get off. What you DO see with programs that become successful from that situation is an unwillingness to keep bad or even mediocre coaches. Mike Shula was the son of a legend, former Bama QB, and a favored son... they canned him after 4 years.

Nope. You have skewed your opinion of the talent to maintain an excuse for a lack of progress.

The raw talent and depth are better than Mizzou's. It just is.



Hey "Champ". For the LAST TIME... NO ONE is asking for a SEC or National Championship. Just a credible effort in line with or better than the talent the coaches have to work with. If the coaching effort vs MU makes you feel good and hopeful... then knock yourself out with that kind of delusional thinking. My eyes are still open.

I WANT Jones to succeed every bit as much as you do. But I want to see a quality product... not words and promises.... much less excuses.

BTW, didn't Jones tell us that the Oregon effort was unacceptable? Yet we saw the same vs Bama and now Mizzou. I guess you all will find another excuse for that too....

A better coaching effort with the talent we have would beat MU? Are you serious? You talk like you are on drugs. Give me two years with 3* and I will give you 10 months with 4* and we will see who wins. You are very delusional. You act like CBJ is a miracle worker. We have less talent on O than we did last year. It seems to me that you are looking for a reason to b**ch and moan. I know I have told you this before. Go and support another team. You will be happier, and we will not miss you. I am sure that there are seats left on the Bama bandwagon.

 

[508mikey]

I think he actually is a scholarship player.

Someone posted a walk on (prob got him mixed up with Carter) anyway - Bowles was an Army All American - whats his problem ? If he cant beat out guys like Josh Smith he needs to transfer out.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

Yeah, and you live in Suwannee, GA and root for the Grizzlies.....wooooow lol

 

[gnm53108]

I actually hope you are correct. I could see some reason to give latitude if it is just as simple as the young guys learning to play on the road. Unfortunately... the young guys vs Mizzou didn't play much worse if at all. Dobbs made some critical mistakes but good grief... the kid did a nice job running and throwing the ball for much of the game. There were some bad plays at WR but nothing we have not seen at home.

The guys who really stank it up imo were the OL's, D front 7, and Neal.

I didn't expect UT's D to shut MU out. But I also didn't expect them to be completely unable to defend a simple sweep.

Interesting.

Maybe it's the upper classmen that cant play on the road? Our OL and DL, which are loaded with JR's and SR's, played like dammit. Could this be some phychic hangover from Dooley?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Yeah, and you live in Suwannee, GA and root for the Grizzlies.....wooooow lol

But I am from Memphis. Always support the hometown/home state team. What? You want me to root for the Hawks?

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

Someone posted a walk on (prob got him mixed up with Carter) anyway - Bowles was an Army All American - whats his problem ? If he cant beat out guys like Josh Smith he needs to transfer out.

Ive been wondering the same thing bro! This guy was a stud recruit and doesn't even see the field. The underdevelopment/underachieving pattern continues with this program...

 

[hatingbamaisawayoflife]

the overall play sucked.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

But I am from Memphis. Always support the hometown/home state team. What? You want me to root for the Hawks?

We should practically be paisan bro! lol Memphis, Atlanta and Detroit...the 3 little peas in a pod! Im damn proud to be from Detroit and am proud to be a fan of all my teams here! We are tough, Ill admit lol

 

[sjt18]

A better coaching effort with the talent we have would beat MU? Are you serious?

Dead serious.

You talk like you are on drugs. Give me two years with 3* and I will give you 10 months with 4* and we will see who wins.

Depends on the quality of coaching you give each.

You are very delusional. You act like CBJ is a miracle worker.

No. Just hoping he's the coach who has the ability to bring championships back to UT. I'm not delusional at all. The Mizzou game was an underperformance of talent.

We have less talent on O than we did last year.

Yes. But not so much so that they could not score 17 points, right?

It seems to me that you are looking for a reason to b**ch and moan. I know I have told you this before.

I don't really care what you have "told me". As far as I know, you have no authority to tell anyone anything. I am not looking for things to complain about... I don't have to.

Go and support another team.

Right. Because you cannot "support" your team and expect a credible coaching/team effort at the same time.

You will be happier, and we will not miss you.

Yeah. There are many people who would rather not be confronted with uncomfortable truths. Sorry about that. But unless the owner of this board, which is not you, tells me that I am no longer a good enough "fan" to be here... I think I'll keep smacking you in the face with it.

I give credit when it is due... but have no hesitation about criticizing when that's due. I respect Jones decision vs UF though it might have cost UT a win. I think he and his staff did a very fine job vs UGa and USCe. They flat out laid an egg vs Oregon and Bama and even worse vs MU.

I am sure that there are seats left on the Bama bandwagon.

I'm not a bandwagon fan... if I were... I might even be able to delude myself into believing that what we saw vs MU Saturday was "good". I have stuck with the Vols through the bad times and enjoyed the good times.

The apparent difference between the two of us is how we define "good" and thus "acceptable".

 

[TennesseeT]

Agreed. I sold my Auburn tickets and luckily made my money back. There some other things going on as to why I can't make the trip, but watching the team quit 2 weeks in a row sealed the deal. No way I'm driving 14 hours roundtrip and spending another $500 on top of 2 $70 tickets to watch that garbage.