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RespectTradition

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I heard an interesting hypothetical the other day and I thought I would see what you good people think about it.

You and a friend are out canoeing. You have been watching the map and are sure that you are about 5 minutes away from a 100 foot falls that you have to portage around. Your friend, who you don't think has very good map skills, thinks that you are 15 minutes away from the falls. Do you compromise and canoe for another 10 minutes or do you stick to your guns?
 
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You compromise . . . unless your friend's idea amounts to just using smaller paddles.
 
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RespectTradition said:
You compromise? But if you are right and you are 5 min from the falls, then at 5 min 1 sec you are freefalling 100 feet.
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unless both you and your friend are too stupid to see the falls (which you will hear long before you see)
 
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MG1968 said:
unless both you and your friend are too stupid to see the falls (which you will hear long before you see)
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You do realize that the point of a hypothetical isn't a literal real-world scenario? If one wants to be specific enough you could say things like, you are both deaf and met at deaf camp, and the falls is around a sharp bend and you can't see it till you get up on it, and the current at the falls is too strong to paddle out of.... blah, blah, blah. The idea is rather, if you are certain you are right and that choosing wrong can be disastrous, do you compromise or do what you think it right. But I think you knew all that.
 
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RespectTradition said:
You do realize that the point of a hypothetical isn't a literal real-world scenario? If one wants to be specific enough you could say things like, you are both deaf and met at deaf camp, and the falls is around a sharp bend and you can't see it till you get up on it, and the current at the falls is too strong to paddle out of.... blah, blah, blah. The idea is rather, if you are certain you are right and that choosing wrong can be disastrous, do you compromise or do what you think it right. But I think you knew all that.
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I would get out of the canoe, swim to safety, and let my "friend" explore Darwinism himself.
 
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you tell the person who doesnt know much about map reading they are wrong and you take control of the canoe to save it.

and let's be honest, the guy who cant read a stupid map is a democrat.

that was the first mistake.

stepping into a canoe with a democrat.
 
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IPorange said:
So you think America should cease to function. Got it.
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How did you possibly get that from the question?

I bet there are things you are unwilling to compromise on. Does that mean you are unwilling to compromise on everything? Are the consequences of being wrong or accepting a compromise always equal? If someone proposes a bill that says congresscritters are in office till death and their children inherit their seats (with an injunction on adjuducation by the SCOTUS), and most people are against and say ABSOLUTELY NOT, are those people wanting America to cease functioning? Should they compromise to a bill where the congresscritters keep their office for life, but their successors must be voted on?
 
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RespectTradition said:
How did you possibly get that from the question?

I bet there are things you are unwilling to compromise on. Does that mean you are unwilling to compromise on everything? Are the consequences of being wrong or accepting a compromise always equal? If someone proposes a bill that says congresscritters are in office till death and their children inherit their seats (with an injunction on adjuducation by the SCOTUS), and most people are against and say ABSOLUTELY NOT, are those people wanting America to cease functioning? Should they compromise to a bill where the congresscritters keep their office for life, but their successors must be voted on?
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reductio ad monarchum?
 
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NEOCON said:
you tell the person who doesnt know much about map reading they are wrong and you take control of the canoe to save it.

and let's be honest, the guy who cant read a stupid map is a democrat.

that was the first mistake.

stepping into a canoe with a democrat.
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Lol.
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Not sure how there is a dilemma here. The friend is an idiot if he doesn't take the route of no risk.
 
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MG1968 said:
unless both you and your friend are too stupid to see the falls (which you will hear long before you see)
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Some of us have been hearing the falls for a long time now... the liberals don't even seem to realize the boat is moving.
 
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sjt18 said:
Some of us have been hearing the falls for a long time now... the liberals don't even seem to realize the boat is moving.
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I don't think its just the libs. The gop has done its fair share of ignoring fiscal reality for quite a while too. Remember, what has happened lately in congress isn't because the gop wanted to fix things, its because enough citizens got fed up with the status quo that they started forcing change at the last election. I don't agree with everything the TP wants, but at least they have begun a real conversation about what is wrong and how to fix it.

As long as the GOP plays along with the baseline budgeting rules that let them lie and say a 'cut' was made when all they did was decide to reduce the size of the increase, then they have absolutely no moral authority on this issue either.
 
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RespectTradition said:
You compromise? But if you are right and you are 5 min from the falls, then at 5 min 1 sec you are freefalling 100 feet.
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You can't live life erring on the side of caution all the time. This country was built on risk taking. :ermm:

Is that the right answer?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You can't live life erring on the side of caution all the time. This country was built on risk taking. :ermm:

Is that the right answer?
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There is no right answer. The 'moral' of the story is that there is indeed a time to reject compromise. This country was built on absolutely rejecting England as our overlords. No compromise was acceptable.

I don't advocate always taking the safe choice. Most of my ideas are actually quite radical. There is a difference between choosing not to err on the side of caution and committing suicide, though. Don't ya think?

Like in the recent budget debate. Being cautious and playing it safe was exactly what Obama was trying to do. Maintain the status quo. I was in favor of trying something new and not raising the debt ceiling at all. Yes, the government needs to be able to borrow, but borrow doesn't mean get and never pay back, then get some more. Borrow means to get, use, then repay. I want to see them do that part and show me that they know what borrow means before we let then 'borrow' more. Is that erring on the side of caution? According to the administration that would have been playing russian roulette with an automatic. Either way, my approach is not a compromise.
 
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