Coverage of KIAs

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hohenfelsvol said:
Quite certain? You have an inside source to former Bush's cabinet?
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Well, what other reason could there be? If it was to "respect the privacy of the familes," why not let the families decide, as this new policy does?

What, they didn't think of this simple approach then?
 
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"The coverage must be approved by families. "

That makes sense. Lets hound the families who just lost loved ones.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am somewhat torn on this. On the one hand, I am quite certain that Bush banned it for political reasons. On the other hand, it is very sensitive.

He is letting the families make the actual decision and that's a good thing and deals with the privacy concern.

Official: Pentagon allows coverage of war coffins - CNN.com
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As certain as you are that Bush banned it for political reasons I am equally certain that Bush banned it because the media and anti war activists were using dead soldiers for propaganda purposes.

Lesson for you LG, in matters like this the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

I do agree that this policy protects the families that wish privacy during this time of grief and is probably the best way to handle it.
 
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vols4sure said:
"The coverage must be approved by families. "

That makes sense. Lets hound the families who just lost loved ones.
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It will most likely come down to a yes or no question on forms already used to complete the transfer of the body to the families.
 
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I think they are playing a game to see how many of Bush's policies they can overturn in two months. Just like the DC Opportunity Scholarship program, if Bush approved it must be bad. Even if it makes sense.
 
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vols4sure said:
I think they are playing a game to see how many of Bush's policies they can overturn in two months. Just like the DC Opportunity Scholarship program, if Bush approved it must be bad. Even if it makes sense.
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They are simply implementing and putting their stamp on policy, all presidents do it. I seriously doubt they are out to just find stuff they can change for the sake of it. They believe it is the best policy, I disagree with a lot of it though.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, what other reason could there be? If it was to "respect the privacy of the familes," why not let the families decide, as this new policy does?

What, they didn't think of this simple approach then?
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their families may be douchebags and not care that it's very painful to OTHER FAMILIES because it devalues their sacrifice when it is used for political purposes. as a liberal i'd think you'd realize that sometimest he gov't needs to protect people from themselves.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, what other reason could there be? If it was to "respect the privacy of the familes," why not let the families decide, as this new policy does?

What, they didn't think of this simple approach then?
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So your approach to ask every family? I think they have more things to worry about. Although I know you didn't like Bush I am sure the "ban" of filming coffins was partially political but not the only reason.
 
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droski said:
their families may be douchebags and not care that it's very painful to OTHER FAMILIES because it devalues their sacrifice when it is used for political purposes. as a liberal i'd think you'd realize that sometimest he gov't needs to protect people from themselves.
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Or, more accurately, protect them from knowing about the consequences of their actions.
 
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LG, you are way off on this one. The primary next of kin for KIA Soldiers already has enough burdening them. On top of the grief and the confusion, due to the sensitivity related to all military missions conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan, the PNOK has to handle a very large burden of administrative issues. Now, the PNOK has to put up with reporters attempting to persuade / coerce the family into letting them have coverage and access?

This is a terrible insensitive move, made purely for POLITICAL REASONS, on the behalf of BHO.
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lawgator1 said:
Or, more accurately, protect them from knowing about the consequences of their actions.
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the media would have you believe that iraq and vietnam are one and the same. i'm pretty sure the consequences have been explored to death.
 
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this is pathetic. these pics will be plastered everywhere. talking about hurting a country's morale. you liberals that agree with this are truly lower than low. libs have been wanting us to lose every war since vietnam. you finally have a guy that will help us lose. so pathetic.
 
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And, it certainly helps to avoid the comparison to Vietnam if you prevent the type of photos that were taken then from being taken now.

But I am sure that did not occur to them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And, it certainly helps to avoid the comparison to Vietnam if you prevent the type of photos that were taken then from being taken now.

But I am sure that did not occur to them.
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What certainly helps to avoid comparisons to Vietnam is obtaining knowledge of the political, strategic, operational, and tactical
histories of both conflicts. Any person who makes a statement implying that Vietnam and Iraq are similar conflicts immediately displays their ignorance concerning the subject.

If that went over your head, LG, let me clarify: you have no clue what you are talking about.
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therealUT said:
What certainly helps to avoid comparisons to Vietnam is obtaining knowledge of the political, strategic, operational, and tactical
histories of both conflicts. Any person who makes a statement implying that Vietnam and Iraq are similar conflicts immediately displays their ignorance concerning the subject.

If that went over your head, LG, let me clarify: you have no clue what you are talking about.
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I don't think LG said that, but maybe I missed something?
 
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Considering that this administration is all about transparency, I would love to see what kind of reports were done on this subject and the thoughts of high ranking military officers before making the decision. I just can't imagine high ranking officers thinking that this should be done.

Also, does all it take is one family to say that they don't approve and that particular homecoming can not be photographed?
 
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therealUT said:
What certainly helps to avoid comparisons to Vietnam is obtaining knowledge of the political, strategic, operational, and tactical
histories of both conflicts. Any person who makes a statement implying that Vietnam and Iraq are similar conflicts immediately displays their ignorance concerning the subject.

If that went over your head, LG, let me clarify: you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Let me be clear. You have no idea of what I am talking about. I did not say they were analogous wars. I said that one way to prevent the public from reaching the conclusion that they are similar is to maintain the illusion that the dead are just statistics, and not real people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Let me be clear. You have no idea of what I am talking about. I did not say they were analogous wars. I said that one way to prevent the public from reaching the conclusion that they are similar is to maintain the illusion that the dead are just statistics, and not real people.
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how does allowing the press to photograph the coffins and having unfettered access to grieving families prevent the fallen from being "just statistics".

the left is all about privacy as long as it suits their agenda.
 
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MG1968 said:
how does allowing the press to photograph the coffins and having unfettered access to grieving families prevent the fallen from being "just statistics".

the left is all about privacy as long as it suits their agenda.
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:hi:
 
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