Crazy to me people talking about what we need to do to make tourney

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Sorry, I've just been reading a bunch of posts and it's all about "just making the tourney". The minimum steps we need to take to make the tourney.

Before the season talk was of going to Sweet 16, being a top 5 seed, etc. Now, talk is "if a 6-5 team can go 6-1 down the stretch". People need to stop deluding themselves. You think UGA is going to go 6-1 down the stretch? I only ask because they have essentially the same SEC record. Actually, they lead us by a half game in the standings.

I get it. Zo is a great guy. A fine man and a terrific representative of our University. But I don't care if he limps into the tourney or not. That's simply not good enough for a team that some have called the most talented in 20 years. Now, I disagree with that. But it's plenty talented AND experienced to be a top 25 team. It's gotten to the point where it doesn't even matter to me if we make the tourney and become a sacrificial lamb to a higher seed. I think our basketball program should be competing for SEC titles. It should be a team capable of advancing in the tourney and giving us some hope they can get to the regionals and eventually beyond.

Does anyone really think that even if this team barely makes it into the tourney it's anything more than 1 and done? This is simply not acceptable for our program and to think that perhaps winning one extra game to get us in the tourney is acceptable to give an extension is settling for mediocrity.

I know some are sick of seeing this. I'm sick of people saying that just making it to the tourney is acceptable. Not for this team. Not when you see what's coming down the pike next year. We've been making excuses for our coaches for too long now. Everything is excuses. We're not talented enough. We got bad calls. Bad bounces. Bad luck. Bad fans.

The narrative of making the tourney is considered a successful year is hogwash.
 
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NYC Vol said:
Sorry, I've just been reading a bunch of posts and it's all about "just making the tourney". The minimum steps we need to take to make the tourney.

Before the season talk was of going to Sweet 16, being a top 5 seed, etc. Now, talk is "if a 6-5 team can go 6-1 down the stretch". People need to stop deluding themselves. You think UGA is going to go 6-1 down the stretch? I only ask because they have essentially the same SEC record. Actually, they lead us by a half game in the standings.

I get it. Zo is a great guy. A fine man and a terrific representative of our University. But I don't care if he limps into the tourney or not. That's simply not good enough for a team that some have called the most talented in 20 years. Now, I disagree with that. But it's plenty talented AND experienced to be a top 25 team. It's gotten to the point where it doesn't even matter to me if we make the tourney and become a sacrificial lamb to a higher seed. I think our basketball program should be competing for SEC titles. It should be a team capable of advancing in the tourney and giving us some hope they can get to the regionals and eventually beyond.

Does anyone really think that even if this team barely makes it into the tourney it's anything more than 1 and done? This is simply not acceptable for our program and to think that perhaps winning one extra game to get us in the tourney is acceptable to give an extension is settling for mediocrity.

I know some are sick of seeing this. I'm sick of people saying that just making it to the tourney is acceptable. Not for this team. Not when you see what's coming down the pike next year. We've been making excuses for our coaches for too long now. Everything is excuses. We're not talented enough. We got bad calls. Bad bounces. Bad luck. Bad fans.

The narrative of making the tourney is considered a successful year is hogwash.
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I didn't read your whole post. But, I don't believe many are saying it is a successful season by "just making the tournament." But, yes, I want to make the tournament because the point of NCAA basketball is trying to make the tournament. I have said before, and I will say again: let's make the tournament and deal with coaching later. A change is not going to be made midseason. I am competitive, and I want to see us in. I would question anyone, yes, anyone who doesn't want to get into the tournament. I would simply rather be in than not be in. Pretty simple concept.

Edit: This is NOT the most talented UT team in 20 years. This team is talented and should get into the tournament and maybe make a Sweet 16 run. But most talented? No.
 
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The season is what it is at this point. I still hope we make it. I'm sad that we are still playing for our tourney lives at this point, but I want to make it all the same.
 
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And this isn't anywhere near the most talented team in 20 years. Jerry Green had at least 2, if not 3 teams with more top to bottom talent, and Pearl had 3-4 teams with more talent.

This team is very top-heavy in talent with McRae and Stokes, it lacks a PG, it lacks a true C, and it lacks quality depth. That was never more evident than when McRae and Stokes went to the bench last night with about 13 minutes left, and UF went on an immediate 9-2 run.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The season is what it is at this point. I still hope we make it. I'm sad that we are still playing for our tourney lives at this point, but I want to make it all the same.
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This x1000

Just because people are talking about making the tourney doesn't mean they're thrilled with our position, not sure why people think that.

As you said this season is what it is at this point, are we not allowed to continue to root for them?
 
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NYC Vol said:
Sorry, I've just been reading a bunch of posts and it's all about "just making the tourney". The minimum steps we need to take to make the tourney.

Before the season talk was of going to Sweet 16, being a top 5 seed, etc. Now, talk is "if a 6-5 team can go 6-1 down the stretch". People need to stop deluding themselves. You think UGA is going to go 6-1 down the stretch? I only ask because they have essentially the same SEC record. Actually, they lead us by a half game in the standings.

I get it. Zo is a great guy. A fine man and a terrific representative of our University. But I don't care if he limps into the tourney or not. That's simply not good enough for a team that some have called the most talented in 20 years. Now, I disagree with that. But it's plenty talented AND experienced to be a top 25 team. It's gotten to the point where it doesn't even matter to me if we make the tourney and become a sacrificial lamb to a higher seed. I think our basketball program should be competing for SEC titles. It should be a team capable of advancing in the tourney and giving us some hope they can get to the regionals and eventually beyond.

Does anyone really think that even if this team barely makes it into the tourney it's anything more than 1 and done? This is simply not acceptable for our program and to think that perhaps winning one extra game to get us in the tourney is acceptable to give an extension is settling for mediocrity.

I know some are sick of seeing this. I'm sick of people saying that just making it to the tourney is acceptable. Not for this team. Not when you see what's coming down the pike next year. We've been making excuses for our coaches for too long now. Everything is excuses. We're not talented enough. We got bad calls. Bad bounces. Bad luck. Bad fans.

The narrative of making the tourney is considered a successful year is hogwash.
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Making the tournament will show measurable progress within the program. Maybe give the fan base some glimmer of hope.
 
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We were not a top 25 preseason team.Tournament expected . Anything else is gravy on top.

Pearl had preseason #14 and #23 teams who had more talent , won 19 and 22 games and got put out first round.
 
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They have to fire Martin... can you imagine how bad we'll be next year without Stokes, McRae, Barton, Maymon and co?
 
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k-town_king said:
We were not a top 25 preseason team.Tournament expected . Anything else is gravy on top.

Pearl had preseason #14 and #23 teams who had more talent , won 19 and 22 games and got put out first round.
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Give it a rest.
Pearl isn't coaching this team.
3 years in it's Martin's baby.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Don't believe that's what he was saying
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What was he saying?
Constant reference to Pearl underachieving in the tournament?
Martin may not get there because he has 4 or 5 losses to inferior teams.
I'll say it again. With 4 losses at this point he's ranked and a lock.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
They have to fire Martin... can you imagine how bad we'll be next year without Stokes, McRae, Barton, Maymon and co?
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Abysmal. Which is why they might as well press the reset button and start over with someone new.
 
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k-town_king said:
If you can't understand the point I was making, I see why you have trouble gauging where the program actually is.
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Really don't think I'm the one with a problem.
Your fixation on Pearl and little else to support any argument you make are quite revealing.
 
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Is a consistent 3rd scoring option behind McRae and Stokes...... Richardson is solid on defense but he is not consisent in giving UT 17 to 20 points a game and Barton is more of a 2 guard option...... McRae could move to the sf position and Barton takes over at sg while Thompson plays pg and Stokes and Maymon stay inside.
 
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The worst thing that could happen for this program is for them to make the tournament.

That not only gets Martin into next season, it probably gets him an extension given the brain trust at the UTAD.

I don't think it's so much that most posters thinks he deserves to come back next season if they bumble their way into the tournament, it's what most posters expect given the sheer incompetence of the UTAD the last decade.

At least that is the case with me.
And that's exactly what they will be doing if they make the tourney, bumbling their way in. The SEC is terrible this season and it should have been a much easier road.

When you have a schizophrenic team that can look so smooth in one half on offense to utterly incompetent the next, it's all coaching. Zero adjustments to what the other team is doing and it's a game by game thing with this team.
 
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calban said:
Really don't think I'm the one with a problem.
Your fixation on Pearl and little else to support any argument you make are quite revealing.
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I'm not the one with a Pearl fixation. I liked Pearl. I think he was a great coach and recruiter. I would welcome him back happily.

What I don't like is people who don't understand the situation or purposely say exaggerated things to bash the team and coach.

You can't say we should at least make the Sweet 16 when weren't even ranked. People are saying this team is our most talented in 20 years ? Gtfo. It isn't in the top 5 of the last 20 years.

Yes I bring up Pearl because around here he is the gold standard. People brag about 6 for 6. They say every year Pearl had was good. So making it was good when Pearl did it but its not enough for Martin? They want to put a certain seed and round qualifier on him. If you apply the same logic to Pearl half his years were not good. Its a simple concept to understand.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm not the one with a Pearl fixation. I liked Pearl. I think he was a great coach and recruiter. I would welcome him back happily.

What I don't like is people who don't understand the situation or purposely say exaggerated things to bash the team and coach.

You can't say we should at least make the Sweet 16 when weren't even ranked. People are saying this team is our most talented in 20 years ? Gtfo. It isn't in the top 5 of the last 20 years.

Yes I bring up Pearl because around here he is the gold standard. People brag about 6 for 6. They say every year Pearl had was good. So making it was good when Pearl did it but its not enough for Martin? They want to put a certain seed and round qualifier on him. If you apply the same logic to Pearl half his years were not good. Its a simple concept to understand.
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At this point the entire argument is moot.
It isn't even certain that Martin will make the tourney.
And who is to blame for home losses to TAMU and NC st?
How do you condone losses to UTEP and Vandy?
Is that on Pearl too?
 
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No chance this team names the tourney. They have at least two more losses in them and two losses eliminates any tourney talk
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NYC Vol said:
Sorry, I've just been reading a bunch of posts and it's all about "just making the tourney". The minimum steps we need to take to make the tourney.

Before the season talk was of going to Sweet 16, being a top 5 seed, etc. Now, talk is "if a 6-5 team can go 6-1 down the stretch". People need to stop deluding themselves. You think UGA is going to go 6-1 down the stretch? I only ask because they have essentially the same SEC record. Actually, they lead us by a half game in the standings.

I get it. Zo is a great guy. A fine man and a terrific representative of our University. But I don't care if he limps into the tourney or not. That's simply not good enough for a team that some have called the most talented in 20 years. Now, I disagree with that. But it's plenty talented AND experienced to be a top 25 team. It's gotten to the point where it doesn't even matter to me if we make the tourney and become a sacrificial lamb to a higher seed. I think our basketball program should be competing for SEC titles. It should be a team capable of advancing in the tourney and giving us some hope they can get to the regionals and eventually beyond.

Does anyone really think that even if this team barely makes it into the tourney it's anything more than 1 and done? This is simply not acceptable for our program and to think that perhaps winning one extra game to get us in the tourney is acceptable to give an extension is settling for mediocrity.

I know some are sick of seeing this. I'm sick of people saying that just making it to the tourney is acceptable. Not for this team. Not when you see what's coming down the pike next year. We've been making excuses for our coaches for too long now. Everything is excuses. We're not talented enough. We got bad calls. Bad bounces. Bad luck. Bad fans.

The narrative of making the tourney is considered a successful year is hogwash.
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Who are these people? Whoever said this is delusional, if we were more talented we wouldn't have to rely on McRae or Stokes to bail us out.
 
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k-town_king said:
We were not a top 25 preseason team.Tournament expected . Anything else is gravy on top.

Pearl had preseason #14 and #23 teams who had more talent , won 19 and 22 games and got put out first round.
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As a D1 head coach Pearl went the tourney 8 of 10 yrs. Martin is 0 for 6 and unlikely this year. I am not advocating for Pearl to come back but Martin is unacceptable for a job at this level. Martins winning % at UT is now lower than what it was at his previous job. Please don't compare the two as far as coaching ability.
 
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You guys wait and see...UT will most def. Lose at Missouri and I'm calling no more than 10000 uninspired fans for the Georgia game where we lose that one too...Can anyone prove to me any different.
 
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