Defense Official: Russia Has Short Range Missiles in South Ossetia

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FOXNews.com - Defense Official: Russia Has Short Range Missiles in South Ossetia - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Russia has placed short range SS-21 missiles in South Ossetia, that could pose a threat to most major Georgian cities," including the capital, Tbilisi, a U.S.Defense official confirmed to FOX News on Monday.
"Anything such as that, or any other military equipment that was moved in would be in violation of this cease-fire and should be removed immediately," Pentagon Spokesman Bryan Whitman said. "The only forces that are permitted to remain under the cease fire agreement are the forces that were in there at the Aug. 6 time frame."
This news came as Russia's deputy chief of staff insists that Russian troops were pulling out of the breakaway region. However, there have been no confirmed signs of a withdrawal.
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Thoughts?​
 
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I think Bush in general gets over criticized, but believe he and his dufus Secretary of State are really bungling this one.
 
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I think there is more than enough blame to go around for everyone in the West to have some.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
why is she a dufus?
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Sorry, I can't supply anything concrete here. I just see her and think "weakness". I feel like she is some second grade school teacher when she tries to deliver some speech telling some country they better shape up or else. Just a personal thing.
 
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allvol123 said:
So you think he is a dufus and he holds her in high regard. Doesn't that come around full circle?
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Not really. He's actually a decent judge of character(s). He put together a very strong circle of advisers, he just lost it when he decided that he knew more than they did.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Not really. He's actually a decent judge of character(s). He put together a very strong circle of advisers, he just lost it when he decided that he knew more than they did.
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I thought she and him were rather close. Anyway, my opinion is they are looking rather timid in this whole deal. The "you better do this or else" speeches make you look silly after a while.
 
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allvol123 said:
I thought she and him were rather close. Anyway, my opinion is they are looking rather timid in this whole deal. The "you better do this or else" speeches make you look silly after a while.
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seriously, what are their options? Are we really going to do something of any value over South Ossetia?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
seriously, what are their options? Are we really going to do something of any value over South Ossetia?
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So your opinion is to let Russia reclaim former territories? I doubt it is. I am fully aware of my own impatience with this matter and understand this situation is complex and not something you handle with a happy trigger finger. I'll not say I have a plan but don't like what I see so far.
 
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allvol123 said:
So your opinion is to let Russia reclaim former territories? I doubt it is. I am fully aware of my own impatience with this matter and understand this situation is complex and not something you handle with a happy trigger finger. I'll not say I have a plan but don't like what I see so far.
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I just don't know what we'd do in a situation like this when the populace of Ossetia clearly wants to be rid of the Georgians. It's simply intervening in a civil war where we have no business poking our noses.

Posturing and maybe some sanctions is what we have.

We honestly roll into Cuba and tell them it's over, the Russians ain't gonna come play. They'll posture and have media field days, but they aren't seriously going to consider a low intensity conflict at our back door.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I just don't know what we'd do in a situation like this when the populace of Ossetia clearly wants to be rid of the Georgians. It's simply intervening in a civil war where we have no business poking our noses.

Posturing and maybe some sanctions is what we have.

We honestly roll into Cuba and tell them it's over, the Russians ain't gonna come play. They'll posture and have media field days, but they aren't seriously going to consider a low intensity conflict at our back door.
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Intervening is an interesting term. Not sure you have to occupy some of the Georgian territory that Russia seems to be occupying to intervene for Ossetia. Again, I'd bet your opinion is that Russia is up to more than just defending the poor Ossetians.
 
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allvol123 said:
Intervening is an interesting term. Not sure you have to occupy some of the Georgian territory that Russia seems to be occupying to intervene for Ossetia. Again, I'd bet your opinion is that Russia is up to more than just defending the poor Ossetians.
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Clearly they have strategic goals in mind, but so do we in every international situation we encounter.
 
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Yes we do. Choices are there to be made. I don't particularly like hanging my friends out to dry. Oh well, gotta head out. Not bailing just got to go. I rather like hearing thoughts on situations like this. Talk again later.
 
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Since the thread has taken a turn for the juvenile, I will admit that I find myself pulling for Russia because I find Georgia winning anything distasteful.
 
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The "tough talk" you hear from both sides is the start up to the cold war showdown part two. Russia is revitalizing and needs the revenue from oil to do that. They would also love to have Ukraine back. Russia figured Ossetia an easier grab so thats the way they went.

It is a civil war but lets remember the conflict in Ossetia was initiated by the Russians just as they are doing in Ukraine. They are fostering a sense of nationalism in the youth in both countries promising them the return to the good old days as Soviets. The presidents and media in those countries liken them to the Nazi party in it's infancy.
 
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KB5252 said:
The "tough talk" you hear from both sides is the start up to the cold war showdown part two. Russia is revitalizing and needs the revenue from oil to do that. They would also love to have Ukraine back. Russia figured Ossetia an easier grab so thats the way they went.

It is a civil war but lets remember the conflict in Ossetia was initiated by the Russians just as they are doing in Ukraine. They are fostering a sense of nationalism in the youth in both countries promising them the return to the good old days as Soviets. The presidents and media in those countries liken them to the Nazi party in it's infancy.
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Howso? This has been going on since 1992, and it all stems from Georgia not wanting to let South Ossetia go, then shelling the South Ossetians two weeks ago.
 
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emainvol said:
Howso? This has been going on since 1992, and it all stems from Georgia not wanting to let South Ossetia go, then shelling the Russians two weeks ago.
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For a number of years Russia has spent money and resources recruiting the youth of both Ukraine and Georgia (and other break offs) to subvert their governments. These youths have been supported by Russian officials (on some level) and have been blamed for destruction and strong arm tactics against police and government there, especially in the territories in question. Let's not forget that Russia has sent many to settle in these areas further tipping the scales in their favor.

And about the shelling, I'm not so sure that was Georgian military and if it was what led up to it. They have been under invasion more or less for a few years now.
 
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KB5252 said:
For a number of years Russia has spent money and resources recruiting the youth of both Ukraine and Georgia (and other break offs) to subvert their governments. These youths have been supported by Russian officials (on some level) and have been blamed for destruction and strong arm tactics against police and government there, especially in the territories in question. Let's not forget that Russia has sent many to settle in these areas further tipping the scales in their favor.

And about the shelling, I'm not so sure that was Georgian military and if it was what led up to it. They have been under invasion more or less for a few years now.
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If what you are saying is true (and on some level I am sure it is) there is still no way that we can reprimand the Russians for doing it. It's a tactic that we have used, and recently at that.

As for the territories themselves. we are talking about places that have never wanted any part of their respective countries. Why are the Russians the bad guys for interjecting into situations happening at their doorstep? The way it is being handled by many people in the media and Washington seems terribly hypocritical to me
 
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emainvol said:
If what you are saying is true (and on some level I am sure it is) there is still no way that we can reprimand the Russians for doing it. It's a tactic that we have used, and recently at that.

As for the territories themselves. we are talking about places that have never wanted any part of their respective countries. Why are the Russians the bad guys for interjecting into situations happening at their doorstep? The way it is being handled by many people in the media and Washington seems terribly hypocritical to me
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I think i know where you are going but don't want to jump to any conclusions. Please expand on your thoughts.
 
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emainvol said:
If what you are saying is true (and on some level I am sure it is) there is still no way that we can reprimand the Russians for doing it. It's a tactic that we have used, and recently at that.

As for the territories themselves. we are talking about places that have never wanted any part of their respective countries. Why are the Russians the bad guys for interjecting into situations happening at their doorstep? The way it is being handled by many people in the media and Washington seems terribly hypocritical to me
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I agree with this. it's hard to say that we've got the moral high ground here when we invaded a sovereign iraq. still, that doesn't mean what's happening in south ossetia is not a major problem.
 
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