democrats support the troops...yeah, right

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MG1968

MG1968

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they can't even use a picture of a real US serviceman on their website.

Veterans and Military Families site

the military chap pictured is in the Canadian military. check out Little Green Footballs for non-photoshopped original pics of the same guy.
 
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Well that settles it. The Democrats don't support the troops because of a picture. Brilliant!!

This Democrat supports the troops, just not the war..
 
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I think in general democrats on the whole support the troops. Their message and political motives do not always seem like they do, but all in all most support the troops.

Vietnam truly did change the mindset of our military, from public perception/reality to politics.

Not trying to rag on you OWB, but how does one support the troops and not the war? If you support them, you support the mission, correct? You want the desired outcome?
 
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OWB said:
Well that settles it. The Democrats don't support the troops because of a picture. Brilliant!!

This Democrat supports the troops, just not the war..
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It is very hard to support the troops but then tell them that what they are dying for, but more importantly killing for (the thing that haunts soldiers for the rest of their lives) is not a noble and just cause.
 
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therealUT said:
It is very hard to support the troops but then tell them that what they are dying for, but more importantly killing for (the thing that haunts soldiers for the rest of their lives) is not a noble and just cause.
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Well think what you want, at least I'm not calling their sacrifices a "comma" like Bush did.

And I disagree that it's hard to support them and not agree with the war.
 
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And I disagree that it's hard to support them and not agree with the war.
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Hey, when you wake up, you need to expand more on this.

I guess my perspective is the outcome........I want to hear your point of view.
 
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It's pretty simple. I don't agree with the war, but that in no way, shape or form means that I hate our troops for being there. Now, you could say I hate the President for sending them to Iraq when he clearly didn't need to. I hate that over 2700 families have lost a loved one in this quagmire. I hate that thousands of lives have been changed because of major injuries suffered. I hate that one day, another Republican running for office will belittle those who have served and question their bravery and dedication to our country and saying their medals earned was nothing more than a fluke.
 
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Ok, that is where I thought you were coming from. Your "beef" is with the President which I would almost agree with you at "this" point. *Note- I am all for stopping WMD*

You do not want the soldiers pulled out of Iraq for the mere sake of it.

You have mentioned previously that if we are going to stay in Iraq then complete the mission, you suggested sending more troops, or whatever the case may be.

I get mixed messages, or what I perceive to be, from democrats that the soldiers are being used as a political tool only. I.E. Vietnam. I know one could easily argue that for the republicans also.

I have no problem going to a country hitting them in the mouth and making darn well sure they do not have WMD capabilities......Staying and forcing a democracy on them.......

To me it seems when nothing "truly" was found, we went to Iraq for democracy.....eh..........that does not work to well for me.

As George once put it, "Our military is not in the business of nation building."
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
You do not want the soldiers pulled out of Iraq for the mere sake of it.

You have mentioned previously that if we are going to stay in Iraq then complete the mission, you suggested sending more troops, or whatever the case may be.
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I'm for whatever will finish this thing so our troops can come home and I tend to think sending more over there would be a more successful approach than diminishing our forces at this point.

Like the war or not, we're stuck there now. Leaving too early would most likely be a mistake and staying there for years to come would also probably fall into that category.
 
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OWB said:
I'm for whatever will finish this thing so our troops can come home and I tend to think sending more over there would be a more successful approach than diminishing our forces at this point.

Like the war or not, we're stuck there now. Leaving too early would most likely be a mistake and staying there for years to come would also probably fall into that category.
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Wow! Your a radical left wing nutjob and I am a vast right wing conspiracists and we agree totally on something.

Wanna start a news show on Fox?
 
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Before you guys get vasoline all over the furniture, how is using US armed forces for political interests supporting the troops???
 
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KY Jelly is much more effecient.

It is not, however it is legit to the question the president's/governments judgement.

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actually no, re-election campaigns should have no bearing whatsoever on presidential judgement.
 
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cibai said:
Before you guys get vasoline all over the furniture, how is using US armed forces for political interests supporting the troops???
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Get out of Vietnam mode here. Our armed forces are all volunteer. Also, war is and has always been an extension of policy, therefore, all troops in all engagements have been used for political interests.

The bottom line is this:
You cannot say that soldier's sacrifices and killing is in vain or in support of a worthless cause when that soldier has volunteered to be in the situation.

If you are going to be against the war, at least be honest enough with yourself and man enough in the eyes of others to also say that you do not support those who are killing in the name of the war.
 
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Politicians are like diapers, and should be changed for the same reason. Robin Williams in character
 
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therealUT said:
Get out of Vietnam mode here. Our armed forces are all volunteer. Also, war is and has always been an extension of policy, therefore, all troops in all engagements have been used for political interests.

The bottom line is this:
You cannot say that soldier's sacrifices and killing is in vain or in support of a worthless cause when that soldier has volunteered to be in the situation.

If you are going to be against the war, at least be honest enough with yourself and man enough in the eyes of others to also say that you do not support those who are killing in the name of the war.
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But the thing is, that is exactly what the GOP is doing when they say the left doesnt support troops; appealing to them as everyday americans, but as thoreau points out soldiers have surrendered their freedoms and liberties as citizens in order to become a tool of government.
 
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therealUT said:
Also, war is and has always been an extension of policy, therefore, all troops in all engagements have been used for political interests.
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But, policy and politics are two different things, even though they often get blurred together. Which is my point that domestic politics shouldn't drive policy, because it assumes that the people don't know what is best for them, and that the leadership does. (I assume you are making the argument that re-election becomes an important part of implementing a policy (otherwise I dont see your point)).
 
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therealUT said:
If you are going to be against the war, at least be honest enough with yourself and man enough in the eyes of others to also say that you do not support those who are killing in the name of the war.
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:rolleyes:

"Just as it was in 1971, it is again right to make clear that the best way to support the troops is to oppose a course that squanders their lives." -Veterans against the Iraq war
 
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OWB said:
:rolleyes:

"Just as it was in 1971, it is again right to make clear that the best way to support the troops is to oppose a course that squanders their lives." -Veterns against the Iraq war
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In Vietnam there was a draft. The troops were forced to go and die and kill. This is not the case in OEF nor OIF. Further, one might have been able to make an argument concerning prior obligations and commitments of soldiers...they were already in prior to OIF so they were just fulfilling their contractual obligation. However, in 2006, almost 2007, that argument can no longer be made. Most all of the soldiers currently deployed fall in one of two categories:

Enlisted prior to March 2003, since then have re-enlisted.

Enlisted after March 2003.

I am being extremely generous with the 'March' date also, as one could extend that to actually enlisting and re-upping after WMDs were declared by the world media to not exist and to have never existed in Iraq.

But, way to completely verify my point about it not being Vietnam by quoting Veterans citing the Vietnam war...
 
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therealUT said:
In Vietnam there was a draft. The troops were forced to go and die and kill. This is not the case in OEF nor OIF. Further, one might have been able to make an argument concerning prior obligations and commitments of soldiers...they were already in prior to OIF so they were just fulfilling their contractual obligation. However, in 2006, almost 2007, that argument can no longer be made. Most all of the soldiers currently deployed fall in one of two categories:

Enlisted prior to March 2003, since then have re-enlisted.

Enlisted after March 2003.

I am being extremely generous with the 'March' date also, as one could extend that to actually enlisting and re-upping after WMDs were declared by the world media to not exist and to have never existed in Iraq.

But, way to completely verify my point about it not being Vietnam by quoting Veterans citing the Vietnam war...
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That's fine and dandy, that quote was directed more towards you saying that anyone who says they support the troops and not the war wasn't a real man. I just found it interesting that there's a whole website for veterans against the Iraq war who obviously support the troops. I guess they aren't real men either..
 
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