Denard thinks he could beat Bolt

#26
#26
Orangesmokey said:
Do you think Bolt's speed would transfer over to football? I am sure if he got out in the open with the ball that no one would be able to catch him, but I mean piror to that. Do you think his speed would transfer over to being able to run routes and get open to get the ball and handle the contact while doing so?
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without being wishywashy, I have to say yes, and no.

My best example it Jeff Demps. if the guy gets to the corner, he is gone. If he cant get in the open, the speed factor is diminished a bit. uBolt, with a good o-scheme, could do some real damage. If they can get him the ball on some nice slant routes, or chuck it deep and let him run under it. WR Screens. Speed in that sense automatically transfers over to football.

What he is most likely lacking is lateral quickness. Change of direction. As a WR can he get past a DB chucking him at the line? Can he put a move on a DB to get open on that slant pattern. Can he put a move on someone to get upfield after the catch. Just a simple quick change in direction could be tough for a speed guy.

As a QB, can he avoid a rush, can he make a DE miss him so he can get outside to the pylon. I promise you that he can throw an ArmPunt just as well as Denard.

As a Running back, damn he could hit that hole fast, but can he do anything once he got there. Can he bounce outside? can he spin off a hit?

Id love to see him try. If I were an NFL GM I would pay him to come in for a tryout. I want to know these answers.

2 quick notes:
1) I really like Denard as a person, and as a football player. He sucks as a quarterback. Cannot. Pass. He will make a very good NFL Slot Receiver.
2) I was a speed guy. 4.38. Hands like glue. Could take a hit. Was told I ran excellent routes. But that didnt make me a good football player. (and no way would I have beat Bolt in a 40. Bolt is about a 4.0 40, and I have heard NFL scouts say he is probably a 3.9)
d) if denard could beat Bolt in the 40 he wouldnt be talking about it, he would be showing it. He is fast, but not that fast.
 
#29
#29
GatorBill said:
could his speed transfer to baseball?? Would he be a good pinch runner?? :)

That would be awesome. If I were him I would play Baseball, football, and maybe see if I can dunk.
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Why would you put your million dollar career at risk? Denard is an idiot. If he could beat bolt, then he would be in the olympics.
 
#30
#30
milohimself said:
He's still relatively slow for the first forty and isnt used to grass, so I can see denard maybe not getting destroyed
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Gatlin had him beat the first 20 and then they evened up around 40. I would put Gatlin in the 4.1 range, complete uneducated guess though.
 
#31
#31
GatorBill said:
without being wishywashy, I have to say yes, and no.

My best example it Jeff Demps. if the guy gets to the corner, he is gone. If he cant get in the open, the speed factor is diminished a bit. uBolt, with a good o-scheme, could do some real damage. If they can get him the ball on some nice slant routes, or chuck it deep and let him run under it. WR Screens. Speed in that sense automatically transfers over to football.

What he is most likely lacking is lateral quickness. Change of direction. As a WR can he get past a DB chucking him at the line? Can he put a move on a DB to get open on that slant pattern. Can he put a move on someone to get upfield after the catch. Just a simple quick change in direction could be tough for a speed guy.

As a QB, can he avoid a rush, can he make a DE miss him so he can get outside to the pylon. I promise you that he can throw an ArmPunt just as well as Denard.

As a Running back, damn he could hit that hole fast, but can he do anything once he got there. Can he bounce outside? can he spin off a hit?

Id love to see him try. If I were an NFL GM I would pay him to come in for a tryout. I want to know these answers.

2 quick notes:
1) I really like Denard as a person, and as a football player. He sucks as a quarterback. Cannot. Pass. He will make a very good NFL Slot Receiver.
2) I was a speed guy. 4.38. Hands like glue. Could take a hit. Was told I ran excellent routes. But that didnt make me a good football player. (and no way would I have beat Bolt in a 40. Bolt is about a 4.0 40, and I have heard NFL scouts say he is probably a 3.9)
d) if denard could beat Bolt in the 40 he wouldnt be talking about it, he would be showing it. He is fast, but not that fast.
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Awesome answer. Thanks for replying. You bring up some intresting points.
 
#33
#33
Burger said:
Why would you put your million dollar career at risk? Denard is an idiot. If he could beat bolt, then he would be in the olympics.
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I cant remember if Bolt plans on coming back for Rio or not. If he does, then yeah, it would be stupid to do anything else.

If he doesnt, he could make millions playing football or just being a pinch runner in baseball. Someone out there would give him that chance
 
#34
#34
jspvol76 said:
Gatlin had him beat the first 20 and then they evened up around 40. I would put Gatlin in the 4.1 range, complete uneducated guess though.
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from wiki:

On March 13, 2008 Gatlin performed at the Titans' NFL pro day. His numbers were as follows: 4.45 and 4.42 in the 40-yard dash. Had a 40 ½-inch vertical jump, 11-foot (3.35 m) standing long jump, 4.4 short shuttle, 7.36 cone drill and 12 reps in the bench press. The former Olympic sprinter did not get signed by any NFL teams.


From me: 40 yard dash times are unreliable because the clocks are not all metered the same, and are not tested by a certified authority.

College times are exaggerated one direction, Pro times are exaggerated the other. Its just the way it goes.

At one point Bo Jackson was a 4.21 Neon Deion was a 4.19 or something like that. Kirk Gibson was a 4.2 I was a 4.38 and I completely do not believe it. Not at all.

Moral of my story: Justin Gatlin is one very fast human being. But it does take a bit to get the body moving that fast. I think if Justin were in college, being timed as a WR, they would say something in the 4.2 range. I believe the pro scouts that say 4.1 or 3.9 for Bolt.
 
#35
#35
Orangesmokey said:
Awesome answer. Thanks for replying. You bring up some intresting points.
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Thanks. Not sure how it would work out if Bolt tried football, but Im sure of 2 things

1) It would be interesting
2) It would have ESPN on FIRE!!
d) Bolt would claim to be the best WR in the world!

:rock:
 
#36
#36
Caveats going in:
This is on a track.
This is in track spikes.
This is with starting blocks.

Per ESPN track & field analyst Larry Rawson on a recent radio interview.

Rawson: "Forty yards, if he was being hand-timed by a scout and reacting to his movement - not electronically timed the way they do it [in track and field] - his 40-yard dash on a track, in spikes, would be 3.73 seconds."

Host: [Laughter] "He would run a sub four-second 40-yard dash?"

Rawson: "Listen, I did the math as though it was electronically timed, which it's not for football — electronically timed — and it came out to 3.97 seconds."


Make of it what you will.
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#37
#37
Sith Vol said:
See this is what I don't get. Didn't Justin Gatlin run a 4.45 in his NFL tryouts? But then he won gold with a 9.58 in '04. I think it all depends on the launch and the amount of distance. I wouldn't be surprised if Denard could beat him. Of course Bolt would destroy him in a 100+m race but for 40 yards I'm sure some football players could hold their own against him.
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There are several runners that can equal Bolt for 40 maybe even 50ms. Its the back half where he makes his hay.

Very different race.
 
#38
#38
hndog609 said:
Caveats going in:
This is on a track.
This is in track spikes.
This is with starting blocks.

Per ESPN track & field analyst Larry Rawson on a recent radio interview.

Rawson: "Forty yards, if he was being hand-timed by a scout and reacting to his movement - not electronically timed the way they do it [in track and field] - his 40-yard dash on a track, in spikes, would be 3.73 seconds."

Host: [Laughter] "He would run a sub four-second 40-yard dash?"

Rawson: "Listen, I did the math as though it was electronically timed, which it's not for football — electronically timed — and it came out to 3.97 seconds."


Make of it what you will.
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I completely believe it. Not trying to wear out this one part of the subject, but Jeff Demps was widely viewed as one of the fastest players in football, and he was 5th fastest in the US in track and field (according to the 4x100 relay team) Bolts speed would be super human on the football field....IF he knows how to play the game.
 
#39
#39
BeecherVol said:
There are several runners that can equal Bolt for 40 maybe even 50ms. Its the back half where he makes his hay.

Very different race.
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The dude from the US was with Bolt (in the 4x100) for 5 steps. At 5 seconds he was just off the shoulder. At 6 seconds he was no where close.


Equal? Im not so sure. Close? of course. They can stay VERY close at 40yrds.

I ran next to some fella at the Jacksonville Bulls camp (hahaha, many moons ago) and I thought we were close. I was just off his shoulder. .1 slower on the clock. Difference between a 4.4 and a 4.3 is a shoulder.

(FTR and FWIW: I thought I was gonna die, and the other dude was jogging back to go again, cause he thought he could lower his time. This thread is not about me of course, but I dont want anyone to think Im bragging, Im not.)
 
#42
#42
and one other thing to think of:

If you are going to go run 100m, you are going to start at a pace, and kick it at the end.


If you are going to run 40m, you are full go, from the beginning.

If bolt wants to go all out for the first 40, he will crush it. If he doesnt, he wont. He not a normal human being.
 
#43
#43
Some sports science guy did an article and Broke this down.

He took the time splits from the gold medal run bolt just did. You have to convert meters to yards and so on.

One HUGE thing many are forgetting is starting blocks, football doesn't use them bolt does.

The guy who did the breakdown came up with a 40 time of AROUND 4.2-4.3. If on grass, without blocks, I think it's very likely cj beats him, but I doubt Robinson.
 
#44
#44
GatorBill said:
Thanks. Not sure how it would work out if Bolt tried football, but Im sure of 2 things

1) It would be interesting
2) It would have ESPN on FIRE!!
d) Bolt would claim to be the best WR in the world!
:rock:
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There is no way anyone could disagree with that.
 
#45
#45
BeecherVol said:
There are several runners that can equal Bolt for 40 maybe even 50ms. Its the back half where he makes his hay.

Very different race.
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While the boldened is certainly true it's a bit deceptive in application to the earlier observation. Here are some prior 100m times and their 40m split times.

Ben Johnson '88 9.79
4.66

Maurice Greene '99 9.79
4.69

Asafa Powell '05 9.77
4.69

So what was Bolt's 40m when he ran his 9.58 WR? 4.64. Bolt is stupid fast right out of the blocks. There is a sneaky caveat here though.

One thing that often gets forgotten in the perception of who is faster early in a race is the reaction time. If somebody punches a .13 RT vs another guy with a .16 RT the first guy is going to be in the lead even if he isn't faster.
 
#46
#46
Also...

So Gatlin runs a 4.4ish 40 at camp, runs a 9.79 100m at Olympics.

Bolt runs x 40, and runs 9.63 100m.

So you're saying that bolt beat gatlin by .16 seconds over 100 m, but is gonna beat him by .4-.5 seconds over 36 meters?

I don't think so, that's just common sense. Usain Bolt, on grass, not off blocks would be a 4.2 guy, slimmest of chances 4.1 at best. This talk of sub 4 is asinine.

It would be great tv him and CJ though. In all honesty I doubt CJ is still a 4.24 guy
 
#47
#47
GatorBill said:
could his speed transfer to baseball?? Would he be a good pinch runner?? :)

That would be awesome. If I were him I would play Baseball, football, and maybe see if I can dunk.
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#48
#48
I saw where Usain Bolt has an older brother named Skippy.

Perhaps Robinson was talking about racing Skippy Bolt.
 
#50
#50
Cartervol said:
Sorry man i don't get into the SEC pride thing. I hate Bama and always will.
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Thank you. I don't get the conference loyalty either. I pull for Tennessee & whoever plays USCjr, Bama, UF, & a few others not necessarily sec.
 
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