Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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Vol423 said:
The time it takes for drugs to get approved by the FDA is largely due to the long-term studies required to prove that the drugs aren't going to kill more people than they help.
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Are you arguing that their staffing cuts will have no impact on the timeline? What makes you say that?

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They bypassed those protocols for the Covid vaccines, and we see how well that turned out.
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hndog609 said:
Maybe? My (very real) concern is if this push doesn't bring about some kind of tangible win we're almost certainly screwed short of a collapse/rebuild. A lot had to align just to get this kind aggressive attitude and means in place at the top and if the people can't see results I'm not sure they'll believe any of it's real going forward. Even if it's not transformative up front there has to be enough to go "See? This is real and we can do this if we keep working.".
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this is why I have been harping on the HOW of it. despite the accusations of being a Biden fan, or loving bureaucracy and waste; I want to see real actual cuts.

I don't think DOGE is set up to enact/cause/support long term change. its a shock and awe program to feed their political base. I think its going to the Affordable Care Act and Inflation Reduction Act of Trump's second term.

the trolling, bombastic shock and awe, needs some real backing that will follow up. and just based on how unserious they are, and how fast they jump around I don't think they are doing their homework that is going to sell the lasting change when it eventually does come down to a vote.

they need to able to show, we cut 30% of this agencies budget, and they lost 0 efficiency. like Huff said, if you cut the budget, and it just makes the bureaucratic review processes longer, and thus less efficient, are you really helping?
 
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LouderVol said:
this is why I have been harping on the HOW of it. despite the accusations of being a Biden fan, or loving bureaucracy and waste; I want to see real actual cuts.

I don't think DOGE is set up to enact/cause/support long term change. its a shock and awe program to feed their political base. I think its going to the Affordable Care Act and Inflation Reduction Act of Trump's second term.

the trolling, bombastic shock and awe, needs some real backing that will follow up. and just based on how unserious they are, and how fast they jump around I don't think they are doing their homework that is going to sell the lasting change when it eventually does come down to a vote.

they need to able to show, we cut 30% of this agencies budget, and they lost 0 efficiency. like Huff said, if you cut the budget, and it just makes the bureaucratic review processes longer, and thus less efficient, are you really helping?
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Exactly how it's going to look when it's going to matter I simply can't say. I don't think anyone really can. We'll see. I really hope there's something demonstrably positive to come out of this because if we don't I'm not sure there's another window coming anytime soon.
 
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NashVol11 said:
DOGE fostering efficiency by losing half its workforce:

apnews.com

Federal technology staffers resign rather than help Musk and DOGE

Twenty-one civil service employees have resigned from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they're refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”
apnews.com apnews.com
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But DOGE Spokeswoman Katie Miller posted on X that the workers who signed the letters 'were full remote workers who hung Trans flags from their workplaces.'


These ex-DOGE workers, who are not part of Musk's personally hired nerd army, said that they refuse to 'dismantle critical public services' being slashed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Musk stunned as dozens of DOGE staff suddenly QUIT in scathing letter

DOGE workers are revolting against Elon Musk and Donald Trump by signing a dramatic resignation letter vowing not to defund 'public services.'
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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hndog609 said:
Exactly how it's going to look when it's going to matter I simply can't say. I don't think anyone really can. We'll see. I really hope there's something demonstrably positive to come out of this because if we don't I'm not sure there's another window coming anytime soon.
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I don't think anyone here is going to have that answer. DOGE, or someone in the admin, should have that answer.

Right now they are a dog chasing a car, they won't know what to do with it once they catch it.

there is no plan to really account for all of this, include it in the next budget (not this year), and have it as a starting off point for Congress to work from. they should have mounds of paperwork, be able to address all of the comments, and not have huge reporting errors where they are off by a factor of 1000%.

even in a private business audit, they don't just come in and cut people and departments. its financial reviews that cover multiple years, interviews, looking at market direction for demand or growth, consider merits and performance. is it 100% closing a department down and firing everyone. or is there a merger with some good personnel kept on. its not cutting departments responsible for nuclear safety and checking medical equipment.
 
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LouderVol said:
I don't think anyone here is going to have that answer. DOGE, or someone in the admin, should have that answer.

Right now they are a dog chasing a car, they won't know what to do with it once they catch it.

there is no plan to really account for all of this, include it in the next budget (not this year), and have it as a starting off point for Congress to work from. they should have mounds of paperwork, be able to address all of the comments, and not have huge reporting errors where they are off by a factor of 1000%.

even in a private business audit, they don't just come in and cut people and departments. its financial reviews that cover multiple years, interviews, looking at market direction for demand or growth, consider merits and performance. is it 100% closing a department down and firing everyone. or is there a merger with some good personnel kept on. its not cutting departments responsible for nuclear safety and checking medical equipment.
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Hey glass, how empty are you?

Try to be more optimistic, it will change your life.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
But DOGE Spokeswoman Katie Miller posted on X that the workers who signed the letters 'were full remote workers who hung Trans flags from their workplaces.'


These ex-DOGE workers, who are not part of Musk's personally hired nerd army, said that they refuse to 'dismantle critical public services' being slashed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Musk stunned as dozens of DOGE staff suddenly QUIT in scathing letter

DOGE workers are revolting against Elon Musk and Donald Trump by signing a dramatic resignation letter vowing not to defund 'public services.'
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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It is almost 100% likely that most are hangovers from the "original" USDS.
 
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hog88 said:
Good thing or bad thing?
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Well, in theory they shouldn't be using them for much, so it's a "good" thing. They also have little oversight so there's a lot of waste.

In actual practice, VA contracts are so busted and the contracting officers/procurement arm are so close to useless that VA hospitals are extremely reliant on the cards to get supplies. Last I saw something like 60% of the expendable and surgical supplies were bought with those cards, usually on short notice. So...if this is actually true, you will 100% see stories of hospitals running out of supplies.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Well, in theory they shouldn't be using them for much, so it's a "good" thing. They also have little oversight so there's a lot of waste.

In actual practice, VA contracts are so busted and the contracting officers/procurement arm are so close to useless that VA hospitals are extremely reliant on the cards to get supplies. Last I saw something like 60% of the expendable and surgical supplies were bought with those cards, usually on short notice. So...if this is actually true, you will 100% see stories of hospitals running out of supplies.
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Thanks. Makes sense.
 
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hog88 said:
Thanks. Makes sense.
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It's 100% something I would have done (cutting the cards out). It's 100% not something I would have done without spending at least a few weeks to ensure guardrails are in place. There are definitely places I think it's OK to just wholesale cut, but for people that have given like a lot of Vets have, probably a better idea to not rip bandaids off like that.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's 100% something I would have done (cutting the cards out). It's 100% not something I would have done without spending at least a few weeks to ensure guardrails are in place. There are definitely places I think it's OK to just wholesale cut, but for people that have given like a lot of Vets have, probably a better idea to not rip bandaids off like that.
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Can’t have nuanced operations when you’re being lead by someone without any hint of nuance.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The Republican beef with USPS is so stupid
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USPS no joke lost about 20-30% of what we used to send out of our small business. My wife is trying to have some of her medicine shipped to her by her mom from Peru, and the USPS stuck it in Greensboro, NC and has just left it there, despite it being sent with first class service. It's been there a month. When we were ordering from Amazon to furnish our rental, every other package we had shipped via USPS arrived 2-3 days late or not at all. We did not have issues at all with Amazon's direct deliveries or UPS.

USPS has had literal years, including specific set-aside funding, to upgrade their sorting machines and capabilities in their facilities. It's understandable that their mission is harder, and they have to deliver to areas other companies don't have to support, but they are and have been failing, and that's not even arguable.

PS: USPS-reported "success" metrics are as fake as BLS jobs numbers.
Source: currently working with an OIG project looking at this very thing.
 
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ButchPlz said:
USPS no joke lost about 20-30% of what we used to send out of our small business. My wife is trying to have some of her medicine shipped to her by her mom from Peru, and the USPS stuck it in Greensboro, NC and has just left it there, despite it being sent with first class service. It's been there a month. When we were ordering from Amazon to furnish our rental, every other package we had shipped via USPS arrived 2-3 days late or not at all. We did not have issues at all with Amazon's direct deliveries or UPS.

USPS has had literal years, including specific set-aside funding, to upgrade their sorting machines and capabilities in their facilities. It's understandable that their mission is harder, and they have to deliver to areas other companies don't have to support, but they are and have been failing, and that's not even arguable.

PS: USPS-reported "success" metrics are as fake as BLS jobs numbers.
Source: currently working with an OIG project looking at this very thing.
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If the metrics suggest success, then by what metric are they "inarguably failing"?
 
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NashVol11 said:
If the metrics suggest success, then by what metric are they "inarguably failing"?
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..."success" is in quotes specifically because it's sarcastic. If USPS tells you they're getting you their 3-5 day packages on time 68% of the time, they're lying, and it's worse. USPS employees are taught by local management to do things like mark packages and parcels as "undeliverable due to X" out of their control, because it doesn't impact their metrics. This is widespread in the agency.

Even if you abide by their metrics, getting 3-5 packages somewhere at what would be an F grade in many school districts is an inarguable failure.
 
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ButchPlz said:
..."success" is in quotes specifically because it's sarcastic. If USPS tells you they're getting you their 3-5 day packages on time 68% of the time, they're lying, and it's worse. USPS employees are taught by local management to do things like mark packages and parcels as "undeliverable due to X" out of their control, because it doesn't impact their metrics. This is widespread in the agency.

Even if you abide by their metrics, getting 3-5 packages somewhere at what would be an F grade in many school districts is an inarguable failure.
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Yep this right here. I routinely gets packages marked as delivered that don't show up for 2 or 3 days later because it looks better for them that way. Plenty of days I don't even get mail delivered.
 
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Here is mail delivery last 10 days (per informed delivery)

2/15 - No mail delivery just packages
2/16 - Sunday
2/17 - President's Day
2/18 - No mail (pre snow day)
2/19 - No mail (snow day) - Snow melted by 2 PM
2/20 - No mail (snow day)
2/21 - No mail (snow day)
2/22 - Package delivery but no mail delivery
2/23 - Sunday
2/24 - Mail delivery
 
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