Did anyone hear this?

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She is correct about keeping the team together on campus. That needs to be looked into, I know there are ways around the NCAA rules of a dedicated doom issue. I am glad that a parent has spoken up. I support her and her son. Just because she has come out and spoken about this issue, should not mean less playing time for Chris Brown. He's a fine back. :rock:
 
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The NCAA has made very clear that you cant have an athletic dorm, they consider it preferential treatment, It is a bogus rule.
 
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These kids do not make up a pro team. They are college age kids that have a lot more pressure on them than most of us will ever know, especially at that age. Listening to Chris's mother, it sounds as though the coaches are allowing the players to live and operate like a pro team. To play for the Vols is not a job like playing for the Titans or another NFL team. It is an opportunity to experience top collegiate athletics and to grow into men with the discipline and self confidence that will allow them to succeed whether they move on into the NFL or, as most will do, a successful career with hopefully a good education. I have always known that the life of a collegiate Div1 athlete was different to a certain extent, but it would seem that our athletes are not being taken care of and that the coaches do not have the students best interest in mind by allowing so many "lack of discipline" situations to exist.
 
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Yes these kids are college kids that have a lot of pressure on them. But this is the same situation at every other university and most others have tight enough rules and instill enough discipline and respect in their kids to not have the level of problems we are having this year. We've been better than this in previous years so it can be done here.

Don't excuse their behavior. Do you realize that 17 and 18 year olds that go into the military are under the same if not greater pressures. I've seen kids in messed up home lives come in and have discipline instilled in them to rise above these little temptations. I'm not saying the atmosphere will be perfect because you always have the bad seeds out there. But this isn't just isolated incidents with one or two players. It's epidemic.
 
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Originally posted by patrick
The NCAA has made very clear that you cant have an athletic dorm, they consider it preferential treatment, It is a bogus rule.
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It's a bogus rule????? Go eat at Gibbs and then go eat at Presidential Court and then tell me this is a bogus rule. Hell they announce snack time for the players only at Gibbs. If the NCAA didn't have this rule, all the students that earned their way into the school with hard educational work would end up in the s**thole dorms and the athletes that are good at kid's games would live in the lap of luxury. This is a college first, a sports facility second.

It's not like they don't have an athletic dorm already, Gibbs is that dorm with a few lucky students that by the grace of the NCAA get to live there.
 
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Originally posted by sectionb1234@Nov 21, 2005 6:48 AM
...Chris Brown. He's a fine back.  :rock:
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He's not a back - he's a TE. And the jury's still out on how good of one. In his 2 seasons as a Vol, he averages 9 catches each year for 95 yds, and .half a TD. And that doesn't show how many he's dropped.

IMO, I don't think a parent should EVER call a sports talk show to bad mouth their son's team, coaches, and program. She might be justified in being frustrated, but air your complaint to the coaches in private. To do so publically will only cause problems for her son. And to talk about other players specifically - DUMB. Her son will...probably already has caught h*ll for her actions. Plus, it will only help those recruiting against us.

Wrong avenue Mrs. Brown - please don't do it again for the sake of your son AND his school.
 
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The poor discipline of this team is fair reason to call out the coaching staff... and she didn't give her name until she was asked.

In the end, no one said anything about putting up the entire team in Gibbs, but a rule about living on campus should be instated. All that said, from what I understand, if the dorm is less that 50% athletes, then it is legit.

Either way, things need to change, and new rules to bring order to the team would help on and off the field.
 
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Originally posted by OrangeUAVol?@Nov 21, 2005 6:12 PM
He's not a back - he's a TE.  And the jury's still out on how good of one.  In his 2 seasons as a Vol, he averages 9 catches each year for 95 yds, and .half a TD.  And that doesn't show how many he's dropped.

IMO, I don't think a parent should EVER call a sports talk show to bad mouth their son's team, coaches, and program.  She might be justified in being frustrated, but air your complaint to the coaches in private.  To do so publically will only cause problems for her son.  And to talk about other players specifically - DUMB.  Her son will...probably already has caught h*ll for her actions.  Plus, it will only help those recruiting against us. 

Wrong avenue Mrs. Brown - please don't do it again for the sake of your son AND his school.
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Cut Mrs. Brown some slack. She just confirmed what we all thought was going on in the program. Now that she has made it public, maybe more pressure will be put on coach Fulmer to crack down on these players. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. :banghead:
 
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Originally posted by OrangeUAVol?@Nov 21, 2005 6:12 PM

IMO, I don't think a parent should EVER call a sports talk show to bad mouth their son's team, coaches, and program.  She might be justified in being frustrated, but air your complaint to the coaches in private.  To do so publically will only cause problems for her son.  And to talk about other players specifically - DUMB.  Her son will...probably already has caught h*ll for her actions.  Plus, it will only help those recruiting against us. 

Wrong avenue Mrs. Brown - please don't do it again for the sake of your son AND his school.
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I tend to agree. Every time I hear a parent do something like this, I cringe. You know that poor kid wanted to crawl under a rock.
 
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Originally posted by OrangeUAVol?@Nov 21, 2005 6:12 PM

IMO, I don't think a parent should EVER call a sports talk show to bad mouth their son's team, coaches, and program.  She might be justified in being frustrated, but air your complaint to the coaches in private.  To do so publically will only cause problems for her son.  And to talk about other players specifically - DUMB.  Her son will...probably already has caught h*ll for her actions.  Plus, it will only help those recruiting against us. 
Wrong avenue Mrs. Brown - please don't do it again for the sake of your son AND his school.
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I agree. I understand it's her son that goes there, and her son plays on the team. She isn't paying his way, the school is. She can gripe and complain all she wants but until she realizes her baby is out of the nest, and he is a Man (yes 18 is a man) she will have a lot more griping to do as the years come.
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Nov 21, 2005 12:56 AM
What was "the incident at the movie theater"?
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The Friday night before the Memphis game, the team went to see a Movie. The players were told to see the same movie and stay together. Apparently some players wanted to see a different movie and took it upon themselves to leave and go into another movie. From my understanding some players were being rowdy. Mike Hamilton called the manager of the theatre and apologized.

This story was reported by Jimmy Hyams on 99.1
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 21, 2005 7:56 PM
I tend to agree.  Every time I hear a parent do something like this, I cringe.  You know that poor kid wanted to crawl under a rock.
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Problem is we tend to soak up any info we can get because the practices are closed. Though it is not the best idea for parents to get involved with the media, the whole incident sheds light on some dark places.

I wish they would find a way to open practice just a tad.
 
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Originally posted by Cajun Vol+Nov 21, 2005 9:58 AM-->
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The NCAA has made very clear that you cant have an athletic dorm, they consider it preferential treatment, It is a bogus rule.
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It&#39;s a bogus rule????? Go eat at Gibbs and then go eat at Presidential Court and then tell me this is a bogus rule. Hell they announce snack time for the players only at Gibbs. If the NCAA didn&#39;t have this rule, all the students that earned their way into the school with hard educational work would end up in the s**thole dorms and the athletes that are good at kid&#39;s games would live in the lap of luxury. This is a college first, a sports facility second.

It&#39;s not like they don&#39;t have an athletic dorm already, Gibbs is that dorm with a few lucky students that by the grace of the NCAA get to live there.
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The Greeks believed that if you weren&#39;t good enough to be a pro athlete you didn&#39;t deserve to be in any important contest, much less their Olympics. The whole idea of "amateur" athletes was invented by rich English gobs in the 19th century who spoke publically about trying to keep the lower classes out of their reindeer games.

If you haven&#39;t noticed, I&#39;m an egghead. I got crap from the jock crowd in HS too. But that&#39;s HS, not the real world. The Greeks, and all but the Christian West, believe that physical excellence is equal to mental excellence in the sense that what&#39;s most important is people working hard to make the most of whatever gifts they were given.

I agree with the idea that eliminating jock dorms was stupid and infantile. If for no other reason than, while there may be some preferential results, the main result is that programs had a lot more success keeping the jocks under their thumbs and in control when they had jock dorms.

Regardless, college is about excellence and working for it, not about any body vs. brain Puritan Protestant derived bigotry. I know as many jerkoffs of the brainiac side as the jock side. The jocks just get more sex. Maybe that&#39;s the real source of the complaints.......

 
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Originally posted by swami2302@Nov 21, 2005 7:01 PM
The Friday night before the Memphis game, the team went to see a Movie.  The players were told to see the same movie and stay together. Apparently some players wanted to see a different movie and took it upon themselves to leave and go into another movie.  From my understanding some players were being rowdy.  Mike Hamilton called the manager of the theatre and apologized. 

This story was reported by Jimmy Hyams on 99.1
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Thank you.
 
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THIS MOTHER KNOWS WHAT SHE&#39;S TALKING ABOUT. SOMEBODY IN CHARGE BETTER LISTEN TO WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY&#33;&#33; :eek:(
 
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Boy, howdy, Mrs. Brown was harsh. I don&#39;t have a problem with her noting a lack of discipline on the team, as it is obvious to the point of understatement, but for her to call out RC on the radio is (to borrow a word) reprehensible.

I&#39;d be willing to bet that her son is used to her mouthing off; she seems to have settled into the habit.
 
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not needed....if she has a problem talk to the PR man, the coaches, the SID....but never the damn radio station.....this is never a positive place to air your problems....fans do it because it is our only place to vent....MOTHERS NEED TO SHOW AND TEACH CLASS...not shoot off at the mouth...teach your soon how to behave responsibly and keep it on a professional level
 
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what happend at the movie theature? His mom has no right to call in and say stuff about the QB&#39;s WR&#39;s and the rest of the team when her own son got in trouble last year and is not a good player. I would be furious with her if I was her son. She shouldn&#39;t have shot her mouth off, it was just plain dumb.
 
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Originally posted by MemphisVol@Nov 21, 2005 8:47 PM
I agree with the idea that eliminating jock dorms was stupid and infantile.  If for no other reason than, while there may be some preferential results, the main result is that programs had a lot more success keeping the jocks under their thumbs and in control when they had jock dorms.
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They should have control of their program now. There is no excuse for not being able to control these kids with where they live now. As for the "may be some preferential results", there is already preferential results without a full fledged athletic dorm. Go to Gibbs for evidence of this right now. Personally as a person who attended UT, it would get even worse for us regular students while those guys would live in 5-star hotel conditions if they took away this rule.

Why do you think it is ok for colleges to neglect their ordinary student living facilities, but create extraordinary living quarters for the athletes? You are just kidding yourself if you don&#39;t think this would happen, it already happens with the rule they have in place, except a fortunate few ordinary students get to live in the athletic dorm.

The Greeks, and all but the Christian West, believe that physical excellence is equal to mental excellence in the sense that what&#39;s most important is people working hard to make the most of whatever gifts they were given.
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If it suppose to be equal, why shouldn&#39;t the living conditions be equal as well? As we all know, seperate is never equal.

I know as many jerkoffs of the brainiac side as the jock side. The jocks just get more sex. Maybe that&#39;s the real source of the complaints.......
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What are you, 12? It&#39;s a sad day when someone actually believes that stereotype.
 
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Cajun Vol....if it was ot for these athletes that live in the "lap of luxury" then you would not a team to root for. I would hardly consider leaving in any dorm room at UT the "lap of luxury"
 
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Originally posted by patrick@Nov 22, 2005 8:47 AM
Cajun Vol....if it was ot for these athletes that live in the "lap of luxury" then you would not a team to root for.  I would hardly consider leaving in any dorm room at UT the "lap of luxury"
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I would rather not have a team to root for then. If you don&#39;t consider eating at Gibbs the "Lap of Luxury" for college students, then you obiviously have too much money to remember what it is like to be a college student. Gibbs is still the nicest dorm on campus and would be even nicer if kids didn&#39;t tear stuff up. This goes for a lot of regular students too. Look at those brand new apartments behind the college of law, they already tore that place to hell.
 
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Originally posted by Cajun Vol@Nov 22, 2005 8:25 AM
What are you, 12?  It&#39;s a sad day when someone actually believes that stereotype.
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Spoken like a true brainiac.
 
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Originally posted by Georgiavol@Nov 22, 2005 12:23 PM
Spoken like a true brainiac.
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No son, someone who has had more tail than a 90 year old coon hunter.
 
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