Discipline...

[CSpindizzy]

Here is a cut from a Tennessean article. It's a good thought from Ritchie Gandy and points out a lack of discipline and coaching on offense. Hence a Sanders problem:

Waiting too late: Senior center Richie Gandy thinks the Vols got a little too full of themselves in the preseason with all the national championship talk, which might have led to some of their discipline problems on offense.

"It was more of a thing when we messed up in practice early on, we were thinking, 'Oh well, we'll recover from it because we're too good a team not to,' " Gandy said.

After the losses started to mount, he said it was too late.

"When things started getting a little rough, we started paying a whole lot more attention, in my opinion, to those small things," Gandy said. "We started running for jumping offside in practice and different things. I don't know. Maybe we just waited a little too long to fix things like that."

 

[BigPapaVol]

Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 17, 2005 9:27 AM
Here is a cut from a Tennessean article. It's a good thought from Ritchie Gandy and points out a lack of discipline and coaching on offense. Hence a Sanders problem:

Waiting too late: Senior center Richie Gandy thinks the Vols got a little too full of themselves in the preseason with all the national championship talk, which might have led to some of their discipline problems on offense.

"It was more of a thing when we messed up in practice early on, we were thinking, 'Oh well, we'll recover from it because we're too good a team not to,' " Gandy said.

After the losses started to mount, he said it was too late.

"When things started getting a little rough, we started paying a whole lot more attention, in my opinion, to those small things," Gandy said. "We started running for jumping offside in practice and different things. I don't know. Maybe we just waited a little too long to fix things like that."

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I don't think there's any doubt that discipline problems have plagued the program since Fulmer took the helm. I think you'd find that many "players" coaches have had the same problems.

In fact, I was shocked to find that we do not lead the league in penalties, which we typically do lead.

Another hallmark of successful programs is "brain drain", or the departure of coordinators and the like for greener pastures. Success is often attributed to the coordinators (as is failure, as this season can attest) and they are plucked away by needy programs. Unfortunately years of being the pluckee have put us right back in the position of being the plucker.

 

[secfanclub]

It is like what alot of the posters here have thought what the problem has been: Lack of Discipline. Again, I fault CPF for not seeing the discipline problem from the beginning. Then again, I believe this problem has existed for some years now and it began showing its "ugly head" more this season. Alot of people have faulted RS for the problem, but I think one of the many responsibilities of the head coach is to oversee the attitude of the team including discipline.
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[surrealvol]

What he said!

 

[Bama Reb]

Originally posted by secfanclub@Nov 17, 2005 10:51 AM
It is like what alot of the posters here have thought what the problem has been: Lack of Discipline.  Again, I fault CPF for not seeing the discipline problem from the beginning.  Then again, I believe this problem has existed for some years now and it began showing its "ugly head" more this season.  Alot of people have faulted RS for the problem, but I think one of the many responsibilities of the head coach is to oversee the attitude of the team including discipline.
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Many promising seasons have been lost, many talented players wasted and many knowledgeable coaches fired because of a lack of discipline. A winning season is dependent upon knowlegeable coaches instilling a strict discipline in talented players. :shades:

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by Bama Reb@Nov 17, 2005 8:19 PM
Many promising seasons have been lost, many talented players  wasted and many knowledgeable coaches fired because of a lack of discipline.  A winning season is dependent upon knowlegeable coaches instilling a strict discipline in talented players.  :shades:

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And if you want to go undefeated, Clint Stoerner has to make a great play for you. :devilsmoke:

 

[checkerboard_charly]

i think that discipline has definetly been a major factor in the whole scheme things.

the players seem to play how the want.

 

[volbreaker]

Originally posted by BigPapaVol@Nov 17, 2005 9:55 AM
I don't think there's any doubt that discipline problems have plagued the program since Fulmer took the helm.  I think you'd find that many "players" coaches have had the same problems.

In fact, I was shocked to find that we do not lead the league in penalties, which we typically do lead. 

Another hallmark of successful programs is "brain drain", or the departure of coordinators and the like for greener pastures.  Success is often attributed to the coordinators (as is failure, as this season can attest) and they are plucked away by needy programs.  Unfortunately years of being the pluckee have put us right back in the position of being the plucker.

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Seems to me that we've been virtually unplucked. Exceptions being good recruiters(R G,) and Cut. Hell, we were all high-fiven the cut thing until we realized what CPF had up his sleeve with RS. By the way, I'm shocked about us not leading the penalty competition too. Who does and by how much?

 

[jakez4ut]

Discipline has been an issue for a while, and we all know it. Like i said before though, if your winning 9, 10 games a year, there's a lot to hide behind and say nothing's really wrong...then a year like this comes a long, and you start thinking back to all the incidents that have occured over the past 5 years or so, and it all starts to add up....

you could go back to James Banks, Kelly Washington, Dante Stallworth and others as examples, plus the guys that have been let go in the last year...then you go back to the Peach bowl a few years ago when you got guys on their cell phones at half time???

Fulmer is not ever going to be the guy that gets in in a player's face and just rips him to peices...at least on the sidelines of a game or in practice in front of other players...

He's more of the "we need to talk after practice" kind of guy. And then you don't know what's taking place at that point.

I think he has to realize that this year is not an "abberation" as we would all love to think, but rather a culmination of events that have been minimized due to the fact that regardless of these issues, we could still get to 9 or 10 wins, and play on new year's day each year. Only until this year, where it all becomes evident now, that something has to change...and it's more a philosophical issue than it is x's and o's.

If Fulmer isn't going to be the in your face guy, then he needs to surround himself with people that can be...kind of like Bobby Bowden and Mickey Andrews.....polar opposites on the sidelines arent' they??? Bobby comes off as this Southern Gentile charmer, while Mickey is beating guys brains out on the sidelines... :bash:

But, hey, is FSU really who we want to follow as an example of what Discipline is all about?? :dunno: