Disney pulls shark fin soup from menu

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That kind of stuff is irritating to me. Good grief people, get a life and quit being so blasted touchy. Serve the soup!
 
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Jun 26, 2005 12:42 AM
That kind of stuff is irritating to me.  Good grief people, get a life and quit being so blasted touchy.  Serve the soup!
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So touchy? Yeah, I'm sure it's just being touchy to oppose needlessly and inhumanly slaughtering hundreds of thousands of sharks. Do you know what finning is? Do you have any real knowledge of the problem/issue or are you just ignorant of the whole thing and want to pawn it off as people just being "touchy?"

 
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Originally posted by WolfofLon@Jun 26, 2005 1:11 AM
So touchy?  Yeah, I'm sure it's just being touchy to oppose needlessly and inhumanly slaughtering hundreds of thousands of sharks. 
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Better a durn shark than a 14 year old girl! And I agree with Surreal, people who worship animals and put their existence above that of humans are too touchy.
 
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God put animals on the world for us to hunt and eat for our need. I don't remember ever reading god put them on the earth to eat us. What good to sharks do for us huh? and why the hell would you be a shark lover? I mean you can't keep them in your house, you can't go near them without being eaten, I mean why not kill them??
 
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Now, I'm no animal rights activist. A good steak is about my favorite thing in the world. And God knows I hate PETA. But 2345.... You were joking, right?
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jun 26, 2005 11:41 PM
Now, I'm no animal rights activist. A good steak is about my favorite thing in the world. And God knows I hate PETA. But 2345.... You were joking, right?
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Yeah, well kinda. Well I just felt like arguing with someone.
 
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If it comes down to me or a shark and I have ANY kind of weapon in my hand it'll be

LIO -1

Sharks - 0

and PETA can just :Bbiteme:.
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Jun 26, 2005 12:03 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050625/sc_af...ng_050625183121

I think that is ridiculous. Sharks sure don't care to take a bite out of US.
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lady, if you watch the food network..., shark fin is as popular in asia, as hotdogs in america. sorry hun!!! IRONCHEF {www.foodnetwork.com}
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Jun 27, 2005 12:05 AM
If it comes down to me or a shark and I have ANY kind of weapon in my hand it'll be

LIO -1

Sharks - 0

and PETA can just  :Bbiteme:.
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lady, one of your mods has prevented me from posting "ANY WEBSITE" too bad for www.foodnetwork.com
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Jun 26, 2005 11:07 PM
Better a durn shark than a 14 year old girl!  And I agree with Surreal, people who worship animals and put their existence above that of humans are too touchy.
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It's not about worshiping animals. It's about the inhumane slaughter of millions of sharks and putting some species near endangered/extinction numbers. Not all sharks are the ones you've seen in the movies.

Do you know what finning is and how they harvest the shark fins? They catch them and cut their fins off and throw them back into the ocean to die. That's like someone cutting off your arms and legs and throwing you into the roadway and not caring what happens. You're just desensitized to it because Jaws and other BS things you see on TV have made you callous.

I'm far from some PETA whack-job. I'm a scuba diver and I happen to care about our oceans and environment. I'm not going to tell you to hug a tree or recycle your toilet paper, I'm just amazed some people have this perception of the situation.

As for the 14 year old girl, I'm sorry for her family and their loss, but the ocean is a dangerous thing. Someone should have been more responsible and careful in their actions. You play with fire and you get burned.
 
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Yeah, I'm more with WolfofLon here. Sharks play a huge roll in the ecosystem, as they are pretty much at the top of the food chain in just about every water environment out there.

I remember watching this show on the National Geographic channel. There was one area, I forget where, that had a shark that was legendary for its size. The thing was a great white, like 25 feet long. So some deep sea fishers decided to go catch it. They were successful, but they later realized that one shark single-handedly (or singled-fin'edly) kept the local seal population under control. After the shark was killed, the seal population skyrocketed the next few years.

Just goes to show how delecate the ecosystem can be.
 
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Originally posted by WolfofLon@Jun 27, 2005 1:51 AM
As for the 14 year old girl, I'm sorry for her family and their loss, but the ocean is a dangerous thing.  Someone should have been more responsible and careful in their actions.  You play with fire and you get burned.
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You don't know what you are talking about. NO ONE was being irresponsible or uncareful. Do you know anything about the beach in Destin, FL? They were less than 100 yards from the beach and they were on the sandbar, along with MANY other people. She was just the unfortunate one. Sometimes sharks are swimming along with their mouth open feeding on anything they catch. Unfortuneately for her it was her leg. And here are some other facts for you. A surfer helped get her to shore, all the while the shark was following, feeding on her leg. By the time they got her to shore she had quit bleeding and was for all practical purposes deceased. It could happen anywhere. I live 20 minutes from her, and we have MANY mutual friends. It's one thing to be against animal cruelty, but it's another to make comments like you did. That is tantamount to saying that someone who gets in a car and is killed in an accident is to blame because they drove a car. How would you feel if that were your sister or family member? Shark attacks at this time of year in Florida are common.

here is a picture for you... and an article .... this is a real person

http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/062705...nzales001.shtml
 

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Hmmm, I heard on the news she was over 200 yards out and away from alot of people!! I wish they would get their stuff straight!! :shakehead:

It is a sad story!!!! Beautiful girl!!!!! :(
 
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This is definitely a heart rendering thing. I thought of you, BV, and you too, la, when I heard she was from Louisiana.

I was a lifeguard one summer in Myrtle Beach while I was attending U.T.

The ocean is what it is and the creatures that inhabit it are driven by nature. We have to share the ocean with them and sometimes, that just doesn't work out the way we all wish it would.

My thoughts go out to the family and everyone who knows them and were affected by this most tragic thing.
 
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Jun 27, 2005 8:15 PM
The ocean is what it is and the creatures that inhabit it are driven by nature.  We have to share the ocean with them and sometimes, that just doesn't work out the way we all wish it would.
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Yep. In the water, sharks are at the top of the food chain. We're gonna have to deal with it -- Trying to kill them off purposely just causes ecological disaster.
 
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Originally posted by BayouVol@Jun 27, 2005 8:06 PM
You don't know what you are talking about.   NO ONE was being irresponsible or uncareful.   Do you know anything about the beach in Destin, FL?  They were less than 100 yards from the beach and they were on the sandbar, along with MANY other people.  She was just the unfortunate one.  Sometimes sharks are swimming along with their mouth open feeding on anything they catch.   Unfortuneately for her it was her leg.  And here are some other facts for you.  A surfer helped get her to shore, all the while the shark was following, feeding on her leg.   By the time they got her to shore she had quit bleeding and was for all practical purposes deceased.  It could happen anywhere.  I live 20 minutes from her, and we have MANY mutual friends.  It's one thing to be against animal cruelty, but it's another to make comments like you did.  That is tantamount to saying that someone who gets in a car and is killed in an accident is to blame because they drove a car.   How would you feel if that were your sister or family member?   Shark attacks at this time of year in Florida are common. 

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First of all, I moved to Tennessee from Florida, so I'm very familiar with the ocean, its dangers and yes, the geography of Destin, FL. I'm a diver and I've been trained and educated on the ocean and its perils. I do know what I'm talking about. Like I said, I'm sorry for her family and their loss, but this is an EXTREMELY rare incident to die from a shark attack in Florida. Living in the area, you should know that. Yes, there are attacks from time to time, but VERY, VERY few involve death.

This story is tragic and as much as our hearts go out to these families, let’s please be real about the reality of shark attacks.

* In the 10 years from 1990 to 2000 two people were killed by shark attacks in the state of Florida.
* In the 123 years since 1882, nineteen people have been killed in shark attacks in Florida.
* No one has died of a shark attack in Florida since 2000. There was a highly publicized incident in 2001 in Pensacola (200+ miles west) in which a boy was badly mauled by a shark.
* Worldwide on average 15 people a year are killed by sharks and 150 people by falling coconuts.

So, yes, you do take a risk when you swim, there are lots of sharks out there and sometimes they attack, but not very often. So if you are in Florida and prone to worry about such things here is a list of some other causes of death in Florida to fret over:

Shark Attacks - 6 in 42 years
Alligator Attacks - 11 in 54 years
Lightning Strikes - 313 in 30 years
Hypothermia (freezing to death, yes in Florida)- 249 in 20 years
Drowning - 353 in 1997 alone
Pedestrians Crossing Florida Streets - 1083 in last 2 years
Skin Cancer - at least 400 average in 1 year
Automobile Accidents – at least 3,000 average a year
Suffocation/Breathing Obstruction - 231 in 1997 alone
Florida Homicides - at least 1,000 average per year
Accidental Firearms Related - 34 in 1997 alone
Bicycle Fatalities - 124 in 1997 alone
Boating Accidents - 46 in 2000 alone
Tornados - 85 in 45 years

You're right, it is a real person, that you may know by a friend of a friend or something, but the fact is, the world is a dangerous place. Not everything is cotton candy and Saturday morning cartoons. I would think someone of your age and supposed intellect would know that. No one made her go into the water there. It is a choice that she made and the results were tragic. No difference between that and any other tragedy that happens daily in this country and the entire world beyond.

To answer your question... I would feel awful if it were a friend or family member. But that would not change the reality of the situation. I can seperate emotion from the facts. Hell, when I lived in Florida, a good friend of mine was driving a car full of 5 other friends and aquaitances, including her twin sister and a girl I used to date. She flipped the car into a canal and they all died. That is also a very tragic event. But again, the reality of the situation was that she was responsible for what happened. I think you're confusing responsibility and blame(which while synonomous, blame carries a negative connotation). It was not my intention to convey a negative view on her actions.
 
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Not everything is cotton candy and Saturday morning cartoons.  I would think someone of your age and supposed intellect would know that.
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I think you could tell that Bayouvol was upset over that story and saying something like that to her is just RUDE!!!! :shakehead:
 
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Originally posted by la.lovesorange@Jun 28, 2005 1:12 PM
I think you could tell that Bayouvol was upset over that story and saying something like that to her is just RUDE!!!! :shakehead:
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She was rude to me to begin with, so don't act like I'm the jerk.
 
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