doctor's fear healthcare reform.

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Here is part of the deep Right bias of the US media:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/business/19physicians.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

The story highlights a group of 3,000 doctors who oppose the health care bill. Yet, about 10 paragraphs down, the real story emerges:

There is no question that doctors differ in their view toward the new health care law, and some groups opposed its passage. Still, most of the nation’s professional medical organizations, including the American Medical Association, the country’s biggest, have supported it, saying that fundamental changes to the nation’s health care system are needed.
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(my emphasis)

There is a radical Right wing bias in the media. This is how you must read the news in our Orwellian times.

Why is the Right angry? Oh, because the supermajority of Americans are against them.
 
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changes can absolutely be made that will improve the US system without instituting this current bill or a single-payer system. What's so difficult to understand about that?
 
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utgibbs said:
Here is part of the deep Right bias of the US media:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/business/19physicians.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

The story highlights a group of 3,000 doctors who oppose the health care bill. Yet, about 10 paragraphs down, the real story emerges:

(my emphasis)

There is a radical Right wing bias in the media. This is how you must read the news in our Orwellian times.

Why is the Right angry? Oh, because the supermajority of Americans are against them.
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of course changes are needed. but having the government take over the healthcare is not a fix. there are a lot of regulations that increase the cost of health insurance. lower the regulations and you'll see the expense go down.
 
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So the NYT represents radical right wing bias in the media - yeah that makes sense.

Oh I forgot, there is no Left in this country.
 
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utvolpj said:
changes can absolutely be made that will improve the US system without instituting this current bill or a single-payer system. What's so difficult to understand about that?
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no sorry.

it's either a single payer system or the current one. let's not forget that private business has no incentive to be efficient. :blink:
 
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if there is no left than wouldn't an evenhanded newspaper like the ny times be left?
 
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utgibbs said:
(my emphasis)
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Your emphasis is misleading and biased in its own right. Of course the AMA holds that position, but the AMA does not represent the medical community.

They are the largest, but only represent ~18% of practicing physicians, and keep their size artificially large through medical student (~30%) membership.
 
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joevol320 said:
of course changes are needed. but having the government take over the healthcare is not a fix. there are a lot of regulations that increase the cost of health insurance. lower the regulations and you'll see the expense go down.
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You could have fooled the rest of the world:

WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

As volinbham has so nicely shown us, Switzerland mandates private insurers cover the whole country.

And they pay more than everyone else.... except us.

"Health Care" is not widgets. It does not respond to market forces. Privatization adds bureaucracy to health care.

And the data is clear from the real world.
 
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fl0at said:
Your emphasis is misleading and biased in its own right. Of course the AMA holds that position, but the AMA does not represent the medical community.

They are the largest, but only represent ~18% of practicing physicians, and keep their size artificially large through medical student (~30%) membership.
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But I stated my bias clearly.

Regardless, I could link you to death on the number of professional medical organizations wanting a single-payer, comprehensive coverage system.

Privatization adds bureaucracy to health care provision. And the data on this from the real world is clear.
 
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utgibbs said:
But I stated my bias clearly.

Regardless, I could link you to death on the number of professional medical organizations wanting a single-payer, comprehensive coverage system.

Privatization adds bureaucracy to health care provision. And the data on this from the real world is clear.
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Professional medical organizations have a political bias, for the most part, to begin with; whereas I can link you, or merely point you to the top of this thread, that doctors individually polled do not want this change.

Anything that gets in between physicians and patients is bureaucracy; if you want to eliminate bureaucracy, then you should advocate cash/direct payment only.

Obviously, you don't mind a little bureaucracy if you don't advocate the above, and obviously doctors don't mind the private bureaucracy when faced with the government's bureaucracy.
 
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utgibbs said:
You could have fooled the rest of the world:

WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

As volinbham has so nicely shown us, Switzerland mandates private insurers cover the whole country.

And they pay more than everyone else.... except us.

"Health Care" is not widgets. It does not respond to market forces. Privatization adds bureaucracy to health care.

And the data is clear from the real world.
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lets compare the swiss population to ours. sorry, but that isn't going to fly.
 
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fl0at said:
Professional medical organizations have a political bias, for the most part, to begin with; whereas I can link you, or merely point you to the top of this thread, that doctors individually polled do not want this change.

Anything that gets in between physicians and patients is bureaucracy; if you want to eliminate bureaucracy, then you should advocate cash/direct payment only.

Obviously, you don't mind a little bureaucracy if you don't advocate the above, and obviously doctors don't mind the private bureaucracy when faced with the government's bureaucracy.
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he obviously lives with his parents and doesn't have to pay a mortgage and provide for a family. he hasn't stepped into the real world yet.
 
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utgibbs said:
You could have fooled the rest of the world:

WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

As volinbham has so nicely shown us, Switzerland mandates private insurers cover the whole country.

And they pay more than everyone else.... except us.

"Health Care" is not widgets. It does not respond to market forces. Privatization adds bureaucracy to health care.

And the data is clear from the real world.
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it absolutely does, more competition will offer more services at a cheaper rate. it's been proven.
 
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In the end they'll do something that won't benefit the people who do the right thing , pay their taxes, go to work everyday, those people will get the bad end of this deal. Higher premiums to cover all the deadbeats. There is no way to make this healthcare bill beneficial to all. Just the ones too lazy to get off their couches.

I suggest moving to Canada if you want free health care. Take a number , get in line and pray they don't consider you high risk or you're screwed.
 
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We all occasionally make grammar, spelling, or punctuation errors. You have the market cornered.
 
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utgibbs said:
Here is part of the deep Right bias of the US media:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/business/19physicians.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

The story highlights a group of 3,000 doctors who oppose the health care bill. Yet, about 10 paragraphs down, the real story emerges:

(my emphasis)

There is a radical Right wing bias in the media. This is how you must read the news in our Orwellian times.

Why is the Right angry? Oh, because the supermajority of Americans are against them.
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It's not inaccurate to say doctors oppose this stuff. I work with dozens of them everyday. The big change most doctors would support would be less bureaucratic crap restricting their treatment options, taking up all their time, and decreasing the quality of care they're able to provide.
 
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