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Also notice at the end he said he hopes to come back and watch the Lady Vols attack, Holly has yet to allow them to attack she has forced them to slow it down and get it into the Post instead of allowing them to run a transition style offense which is more beneficial to us, especially because we don't have any offensive sets
 
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I would bet that if the coaching staff, including Holly, went through the same course that Kyra would win the t-shirt for being the best leader!

GLV!
 
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My God, I have never seen a more sullen bunch in my life. If the expressions they were wearing in that video were any indication of their attitudes towards practice and other aspects of the game it is no wonder we are playing so poorly.

They did not buy in. Even when it was over you could tell from their faces they did not buy in. I could understand skepticism at the start, but once you put that much energy into something with your teammates you should be stoked.
 
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Yeah I remember this. I remember thinking what does any of this have to do with basketball? I think basketball players get better by playing basketball, not by swimming or carrying 50 pound sacks around.
 
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My God, I have never seen a more sullen bunch in my life. If the expressions they were wearing in that video were any indication of their attitudes towards practice and other aspects of the game it is no wonder we are playing so poorly.

They did not buy in. Even when it was over you could tell from their faces they did not buy in. I could understand skepticism at the start, but once you put that much energy into something with your teammates you should be stoked.

That probably tells the story of why they are playing so poorly. No buy in....
 
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The past few years we have seen these like that camp where they climbed the ropes prior to the start of the 2014-15 season and the slogans like "Grind for Nine". They haven't helped at all. :no:
 
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My God, I have never seen a more sullen bunch in my life. If the expressions they were wearing in that video were any indication of their attitudes towards practice and other aspects of the game it is no wonder we are playing so poorly.

They did not buy in. Even when it was over you could tell from their faces they did not buy in. I could understand skepticism at the start, but once you put that much energy into something with your teammates you should be stoked.

This team building exercise probably lasted for 2 days or so. And you saw a highly edited version and are focusing on a specific scene-- as a contrasting example, they looked more than sufficiently bought in when cheering Graves for leading the group exercise successfully. In the scenes where they looked sullen, I am sure the drill sergeant expected them to look very serious and attentive; this is like saying a class listening to a lecture is sullen and not buying in. Also, the most sullen looking scene seems to have shot right after the swimming pool task; from the looks of it, many of the players were not good swimmers, so it was probably particularly demanding and stressful. So, the Lvs were likely exhausted not "sullen."

But by all means, take any opportunity to assume the worst about these student-athletes.

These kind of team building exercises are very commonplace, in the corporate world as well as in the realm of sports psychology, that I am not surprised that Holly would pursue this route.

At the time, I thought, well if this event improves communication and helps some players feel more comfortable in stepping into a leadership role, there might be some incremental benefit. In hindsight, this seems to have been a poor use of training time. But would the LVs be doing better, if they had spent these 2 or three days working on jump shots? I am not sure that would have made much difference either but we will never know I suppose.
 
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This team building exercise probably lasted for 2 days or so. And you saw a highly edited version and are focusing on a specific scene-- as a contrasting example, they looked more than sufficiently bought in when cheering Graves for leading the group exercise successfully. In the scenes where they looked sullen, I am sure the drill sergeant expected them to look very serious and attentive; this is like saying a class listening to a lecture is sullen and not buying in. Also, the most sullen looking scene seems to have shot right after the swimming pool task; from the looks of it, many of the players were not good swimmers, so it was probably particularly demanding and stressful. So, the Lvs were likely exhausted not "sullen."

But by all means, take any opportunity to assume the worst about these student-athletes.

These kind of team building exercises are very commonplace, in the corporate world as well as in the realm of sports psychology, that I am not surprised that Holly would pursue this route.

At the time, I thought, well if this event improves communication and helps some players feel more comfortable in stepping into a leadership role, there might be some incremental benefit. In hindsight, this seems to have been a poor use of training time. But would the LVs be doing better, if they had spent these 2 or three days working on jump shots? I am not sure that would have made much difference either but we will never know I suppose.

The purpose of pointing this out was the Athletic Department saw fit to promote this with a video. Well, if it was highly edited then the editor should have been fired because he edited in the wrong scenes. The purpose of these team building exercises are to discover who the leaders are and build cohesion. Doesn't look like either was accomplished. Holly couldn't even execute this.
 
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Yeah I remember this. I remember thinking what does any of this have to do with basketball? I think basketball players get better by playing basketball, not by swimming or carrying 50 pound sacks around.

Agree 100%.
Another one of Holly's great coaching idea's!
 
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The purpose of pointing this out was the Athletic Department saw fit to promote this with a video. Well, if it was highly edited then the editor should have been fired because he edited in the wrong scenes. The purpose of these team building exercises are to discover who the leaders are and build cohesion. Doesn't look like either was accomplished. Holly couldn't even execute this.

Okay and your point is? My post addressed the following issue. The scenes that one poster interpreted as showing the players being sullen and refusing to "buy in" (and hence, the reason the team has under performing) could just as easily be framed as their being exhausted and focused on what was being said to them.

My question to you. Is there anyone you don't want fired? :)
 
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...The purpose of these team building exercises are to discover who the leaders are and build cohesion...

This isn't aimed at you, but my experience with these team building exercises is that they became all the rage in the early 80's when corporations ceded all decision-making to Human Resources and Finance people.

The exercises were a waste of time and money.

If the head of an organization needs to pay untold amounts of money to an outsider to "discover who the leaders are", then that head person is blind and stupid IMO.

In basketball, the leader needs to be the point guard. If there is any doubt or there is a need to discover other leaders, all that is needed is several days of heavy full court scrimmaging and the leaders will emerge. If no leaders emerge, then there aren't any. And no amount of money paid to a consultant will change that.
 
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Yeah I remember this. I remember thinking what does any of this have to do with basketball? I think basketball players get better by playing basketball, not by swimming or carrying 50 pound sacks around.

improve communication among a group of people (teammates); second, to boost an individual's and the team's ability to deal with adversity; and third, to build leadership skills. Those are good goals. Sadly, the program didn't work for the Vols as we remain a very weak-minded group that doesn't handle adversity well at all and doesn't seem to have much on-court leadership--see all the losses in which we've blown leads and collapsed under pressure.

I wouldn't say that the team didn't buy in--but Diamond's negative body language (slouching and frowning, not eager, not bright) is evident in just about every shot of her. I'm not sure what the deal is, but it's hard to detect much positive energy with her--ever. Her body language is awful and pretty telling....Life is short, girl--try to enjoy what you're doing.
 
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No two-day program is going to help if the coach is not an exceptional leader and if the team is not properly drilled and has a strong sense of purpose and confidence in what it is doing.
 
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The point of the program is to improve communication among a group of people (teammates); second, to boost an individual's and the team's ability to deal with adversity; and third, to build leadership skills...

All of these goals are better accomplished by playing basketball. You don't improve your skill at something by doing something else.
 
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I wouldn't say that the team didn't buy in--but Diamond's negative body language (slouching and frowning, not eager, not bright) is evident in just about every shot of her. I'm not sure what the deal is, but it's hard to detect much positive energy with her--ever. Her body language is awful and pretty telling....Life is short, girl--try to enjoy what you're doing.

The whole team displayed that same body language during most of the video. Even the applause for Carter was half-hearted. Diamond gets a lot of flack, but if you look at her she naturally has pouty lips and even her smile is sardonic. She might just be one of those people whose inner emotions aren't easily readable from her face. Or one whose aspect exaggerates certain emotions. But a whole team is not going to have that problem.

I will also reiterate what the other poster said. These kids knew they were being filmed. They know what is expected of them. They could have at least feigned interest or enthusiasm. But that is not what we got. Either that is the worst editing job in the history of film-making or the kids did not buy in. Holly has complained about them not buying in over and over again so I would think her supporters would look at this video as evidence of it. In fact that was one of her favorite excuses in previous years.

But it seems to me that if Holly can't get them to buy in after several years of being coach, and after recruiting all her own players then she never will.
 
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The whole team displayed that same body language during most of the video. Even the applause for Carter was half-hearted. Diamond gets a lot of flack, but if you look at her she naturally has pouty lips and even her smile is sardonic. She might just be one of those people whose inner emotions aren't easily readable from her face. Or one whose aspect exaggerates certain emotions. But a whole team is not going to have that problem.

I will also reiterate what the other poster said. These kids knew they were being filmed. They know what is expected of them. They could have at least feigned interest or enthusiasm. But that is not what we got. Either that is the worst editing job in the history of film-making or the kids did not buy in. Holly has complained about them not buying in over and over again so I would think her supporters would look at this video as evidence of it. In fact that was one of her favorite excuses in previous years.

But it seems to me that if Holly can't get them to buy in after several years of being coach, and after recruiting all her own players then she never will.

I completely agree with you on Diamond. People read too much into her expressions; her natural expression owing to the shape of her lips, etc. looks pouty. She can't help it.

I just rewatched this 4:00 minute; the only portion where you could say they did not look engaged or enthusiastic was in the intro. Think about, two strangers walk and say ladies we are about to put you through two days of hell. If I were them, I would be thinking, what is going on? why? I am going to be able to handle this; not jumping up and down like a puppy dog getting a treat. When you watch the rest of the video, they sure looked bought into me.

But, the kind of buying that Holly has been talking about is a totally different issue - in this season, it meant that the players were not 100% committed to pounding the ball inside not matter what and that they were "quick shooting the basketball." You don't hear here saying that as much because I think she finally realized that forcing the ball inside (in the face of double teams) and not taking open shots was a terrible, terrible strategy.
 
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