Does this kill the ACC?

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The ACC Florida teams (miami and fsu) dodged the big boy SEC to stay in the basketball conference and promptly fell apart in football. Clemson rose up with 2 star quarterbacks but now the whole thing has tipped over with Duke and Louisville among the better football teams. Next year they added Stanford, Cal and SMU and are the Ivy League South. Vandy was tempted to jump in but they would have taken too big a pay cut.
 
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I’m not sure . Do you guys think that if this were a Clemson team coached by Dabo, a guy who has won multiple national titles gets in? I do. He has enough built up equity over time , and FSU and Norvel doesn’t have that w/ a backup QB and mid level SOS.
 
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It might accelerate the slow death some.

Truth be known, not that PAC12 has imploded, the ACC is now the lowest hanging fruit left.

Beyond that, it is a conference of haves and have nots. FSU, Clemson, and associate member ND have carried this conference for years while Wake, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse and VT have held them back in just about every sport except mens basketball.

In the SEC, even SCAR, Vandy, MissSt and Ark provide top tier competition in one or more sports such as Basketball, Baseball, etc.

FSU, Clemson and even NC/NCSt are getting frustrated for having tiny tv stipends while SEC/B1G teams are raking in 3 times the coin!
 
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IndianaVol said:
Im just saying i bet they start making setoous calls and inquiries to other conferences now like the SEC or even Big Ten and Big 12 since obviously geography matters not any longer.
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Maybe. Big 12 would likely be FSU's only option, unless both them and ND were coming as a package. Neither want any part of the SEC
 
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Everybody saw this coming. Alabama was not going to be denied. Hell, they were damn close to sneaking in last year with 2 losses…. I hate that the Bama bias and corruption will always be there but it is a fact of life.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
It might accelerate the slow death some.

Truth be known, not that PAC12 has imploded, the ACC is now the lowest hanging fruit left.

Beyond that, it is a conference of haves and have nots. FSU, Clemson, and associate member ND have carried this conference for years while Wake, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse and VT have held them back in just about every sport except mens basketball.

FSU, Clemson and even NC/NCSt are getting frustrated for having tiny tv stipends while SEC/B1G teams are raking in 3 times the coin!
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I can understand the slow death part..

But - You would put the ACC behind the Big 12, without Texas and Oklahoma?! I think you must have made a mistake.

Miami, ND, FSU, Clemson = Lots of football titles. In fact, only the SEC can show more over the past 40 years. I would stack them against the Big 10 and make a better case for the ACC. VT was what Oregon is now for the 2000’s.

Duke, UVA, UNC, NC State = The most basketball titles. You have to go back to UCLA with Wooden as their coach to compare any kind of success.
 
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Clemson and FSU both would have been better served joining the SEC, but the ACC offered an easier path to undefeated seasons. Now they’re a victim of their own strategy. They would have been a better geographical and cultural fit than OU, Texas, Mizzou and aTm. I have a feeling the next two teams to join the SEC really start to dilute the product. The whole super conference garbage is just sad.
 
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This year's final four teams will all be SEC or Big 10 next year and should be expected to all appear in the playoff next year as well
 
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adam.vol said:
I can understand the slow death part..

But - You would put the ACC behind the Big 12, without Texas and Oklahoma?! I think you must have made a mistake.

Miami, ND, FSU, Clemson = Lots of football titles. In fact, only the SEC can show more over the past 40 years. I would stack them against the Big 10 and make a better case for the ACC. VT was what Oregon is now for the 2000’s.

Duke, UVA, UNC, NC State = The most basketball titles. You have to go back to UCLA with Wooden as their coach to compare any kind of success.
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Are we talking about history or now?

History, absolutely ACC but now Miami and Louisville are at best 6th place SEC division teams. I would say even without TX/OK the ACC and B12 are on par football wise.

But what will hasten the ACC demise is the TV contract, which is much less than the other Power4 conferences, even B12.

It's money$$!
 
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adam.vol said:
I can understand the slow death part..

But - You would put the ACC behind the Big 12, without Texas and Oklahoma?! I think you must have made a mistake.

Miami, ND, FSU, Clemson = Lots of football titles. In fact, only the SEC can show more over the past 40 years. I would stack them against the Big 10 and make a better case for the ACC. VT was what Oregon is now for the 2000’s.

Duke, UVA, UNC, NC State = The most basketball titles. You have to go back to UCLA with Wooden as their coach to compare any kind of success.
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Notre Dame isn’t in the ACC in football.
Clemson has 3, FSU has 2 or 3 I think. Miami has more.
Other than that, they don’t have much to offer in the way of football.
 
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