Does voting democrat or republican actually change any thing?

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Simply voting for conservative politicians won't necessarily lower divorce rates, teen pregnancy rates, etc. Likewise, voting for liberal candidates won't necessarily raise the rates. I think the issue is much more complicated than liberal vs. conservative politics. Income, education, culture...there are many things that can influence a person's decisions and many factors that might explain divorce rates.

Political office gives you power, but in western liberal democracies, government power is limited. Especially in the U.S. So (primarily leftist) movements that want to effect widespread changes in society learned long ago that seeking government power is a limited and ineffective way to acheive that goal. This is why you don't see strictly feminist, anti racist or anti capitalist political parties in the west. It's surprising to me that Green parties exist.

THAT my friends is conservatism's great weakness. That's why after eight years of Reagan, four of Bush senior, the Gingrich congress and now W, the above trends still continue unabated. Conservatives still see the ballot box as the primary vehicle for social change.

The left seeks to change society by influencing the culture. This is why they'd rather go on strike, hold demonstrations, produce works of art and entertainment that reflect their worldview, teach their ideas in colleges and universities or bring their grievances before the courts rather than run for office.

The right, conversely, seeks money and power. Thus they run for office and use their positions once there to shore up their political and financial interests. The right does have a cultural agenda, but try to implement it from public office. It tends to involve government telling people what they can and can't say or do. It's very difficult to do without appearing dictatorial, censorious and fascistic, which is precisely how the social conservatives usually end up coming across.
 
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The short term answer is no. The long term answer is only answered when looking at decisions made my Supreme Court appointments.
 
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The problem I have with voting libertarian is that although there are times when I agree with those candidates, often all it accomplishes is basically giving half a vote to a liberal candidate who I REALLY disagree with.
 
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The problem I have with voting libertarian is that although there are times when I agree with those candidates, often all it accomplishes is basically giving half a vote to a liberal candidate who I REALLY disagree with.
In most races it has come down to picking the lesser of two evils though. In those races, if you cast your vote for a libertarian, you increase the chances of getting the libertarian party on the ballot in the next general election.
 
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In Presidential elections, voting for a third party helps them get some of those matching funds. Of course there is a threshhold very few hit but it's there for the taking. If Giuliani or McCain make it on the GOP side and Hillary on the Dem side, I could see a third party coming in better than years past.
 
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Voting libertarian certainly would change things :)

it would, and I'd like to join the LP, but they have this requirement (checkbox) that you renounce the use of pre-emptive force.

YES, I certify that I do not believe in or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or social goals.
there's a check box by this quote on the official application form.

Like Neal Boortz, I am without a party. the GOP (Bill Frist in particular) has been a huge disappointment since Newt Gingrich was forced out. Dems/liberals/socialists have nothing to offer me but higher taxes, appeasement, and group identity feelgood psychobabble.
 
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I was at the Ford/Corker debate last night at UTC. Going in, I was leaning towards Corker. Coming out, I'm not going to vote for either one of them. They are both disgusting and their best points came from personal jabs against each other. It was like watching a one hour summary of their TV ads.

I understand that voting is usually a choice between something bad and something worse, but I'm refusing to vote this time. There is a vicious cycle in politics that allows only the candidates with money to have a chance. If they win the primaries, they get more money and waste it telling us how things should be and personal attacks instead of what they will do as a representative or senator. I truly believe that excellent potential candidates are out there that never get a chance because they arn't backed by the boys in Washington. So, I guess that it really doesn't matter. Whoever you vote for, imo, is a vote for the status quo.
 
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Well if TN is like GA, you can just skip that office on the ballot. You can vote for the races you are interested in and skip the ones you dislike.
 

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