Dominating Phil (The State.com)

#4
#4
i think they have the conf. titles wrong...FL has 6 and i know we have two.

and i love how all the wins we have against them were because of some fluke or something...nothing that we did to win the game, rather some uncontrollable force just hit Fl with bad luck...darn it all.

oh well...when you go 3-8 against the guy....i guess your subject to stuff like this.
 
#5
#5
i don't think any of us can honestly tell ourselves that Spurrier hasn't dominated fulmer up to this point.... that being said, i think it means nothing for this saturday
 
#6
#6
If not for some unusual circumstances, Spurrier easily could have an 11-0 record against Fulmer.
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This came off as ignorant to me.

1. "If not for some unfortunate bad luck, Tennessee could have gone 11-0 last year". I mean, come on. Wouldnt it be more unusual for a coach to go 11-0 against a team as talented as ours usually are?

2. You wanna talk unusual circumstances, lets talk about the 2000 game.
 
#8
#8
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
This came off as ignorant to me.

1. "If not for some unfortunate bad luck, Tennessee could have gone 11-0 last year". I mean, come on. Wouldnt it be more unusual for a coach to go 11-0 against a team as talented as ours usually are?

2. You wanna talk unusual circumstances, lets talk about the 2000 game.
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I agree with you about the if not for unfortunate bad luck quote he'd be 11-0.Pretty lame.
 
#10
#10
Story ranks up there with Mark Richt's owning of Fulmer. Remember the blank look on his face. Spurrier gonna be throwing visors and grapping his forehead on Saturday. Feel good Cock media stories until Sunday when they have to write the "Oh crap" stories again.
 
#12
#12
I noticed in that article that it listed us as being No. 12 in the country when we lost to SC last year. Well, that's wrong, because we were No. 23. It's a moot point anyhow, because Fulmer will begin his domination of spurrier this Saturday.
 
#13
#13
The article doesn't say we could have gone 11-0. It says that, without some weird things, Spurrier could be 11-0 against CPF instead of "just" 8-3.

Frankly, I would agree with that assessment a little bit.

92 - We won this game, and there wasn't anything fluky about it.

98 - I think this one was a little fluky. FL outplayed TN up and down the field, held TN's offense to nothing but a busted FB up the middle for 80 yards and floating jump ball to Peerless. Fumbled 3 times in the 1st half in scoring position, then topped it off missing like a 30 yard field goal on OT. I still can't believe we won that game.

01 - This wasn't fluky either, because I thought TN outplayed them more than the score indicated. FL got the breaks, was the beneficiary of some huge non-fumbles by Grossman, and still lost.

Of course, I could come back and say that TN beat FL in 2000 and got totally jobbed twice by the officials.

Still, what CPF apologists fail to mention is that from 93-97, CPF was in his glory years. FL not only beat TN every game in that stretch, but did so rather decisively. We took our best teams up against him and he beat us bad. That will forever be the huge smear on CPF's record, IMO.

In 99 we were way better and still lost.
 
#14
#14
Q: What is Spurrier's record against Fulmer w/o a qb named Danny Wuerffel in the game?

A: 4-3

It WILL be 4-4 after this Saturday.

In my opinion, Spurrier has done well against Tennessee... but without Wuerffel... he's close to 50%,

Wuerffel was the difference in Florida's 4-game stretch from 1993-1996.

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#15
#15
allvol said:
Q: What is Spurrier's record against Fulmer w/o a qb named Danny Wuerffel in the game?

A: 4-3

It WILL be 4-4 after this Saturday.

In my opinion, Spurrier has done well against Tennessee... but without Wuerffel... he's close to 50%,

Wuerffel was the difference in Florida's 4-game stretch from 1993-1996.
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That's a good point, because he ran Spurrier's deal better than anyone else. Mentally he was a good fit. I had a sick fascination with their offense when that bunch was together, because they were so fun to watch...except against us.

However...ifs and nuts were candy and nuts...I could also put up CPF's winning % without a QB named Manning and he would look pedestrian. There's that single magical year in 98; but besides that, you're looking at a 14 year coaching tenure with no championships and a bunch of 9-3-ish seasons.

I still contend that we lost to FL because they better coached, pure and simple. But so were most people.
 
#16
#16
PLEASE! If there is ONE thing Carolina fans know. Its HOPE FOR TH BEST. Expect the worst. We have ALWAYS found ways to lose.

But slowly we're starting to believe. Anyways, I think its goign to be a GREAT game!
 
#17
#17
Roosta said:
PLEASE! If there is ONE thing Carolina fans know. Its HOPE FOR TH BEST. Expect the worst. We have ALWAYS found ways to lose.

But slowly we're starting to believe. Anyways, I think its goign to be a GREAT game!
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by looking at your avatar...i can see where the cock 'n fire got it's name.
 
#18
#18
jakez4ut said:
by looking at your avatar...i can see where the cock 'n fire got it's name.
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and i heard on the radio the other day by the end of the game Saturday night the Cock n Fire will now be known as the Duck n Run!!!

Go VOls.
 
#19
#19
Fulmer w/o Manning at QB:

1992 4-0
1993 10-2
1998 13-0
1999 9-3
2000 8-4
2001 11-2
2002 8-5
2003 10-3
2004 10-3
2005 5-6
2006 6-1
TOTAL 94-29 (76.42%)
 
#21
#21
allvol said:
Fulmer w/o Manning at QB:

1992 4-0
1993 10-2
1998 13-0
1999 9-3
2000 8-4
2001 11-2
2002 8-5
2003 10-3
2004 10-3
2005 5-6
2006 6-1
TOTAL 94-29 (76.42%)
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So, you gave him the BAMA win in 1993? No matter.

He's a good coach; I don't think we're denying that he's been successful. It's the greatness label that doesn't fit with me.

From inheriting a good program, I really don't think the above win% is that magical, especially with only one title (2 total).

In a 12 game season, that equates to 9.17 wins and 2.83 losses. Moreover, I think his win% against ranked and top 10 is either bad or awful (maybe you have that). To me, that shows he's good but not great. With that said, he did have Manning and those years do count in the whole scheme.

Here is a great coach: During his 12 seasons with the Gators, Spurrier's teams won seven Southeastern Conference championships (90,91,93,94,95,96,00), played for two more (92,99), won one national title (96) and played for one (95), and finished ranked in the nation's top 10 nine times (average end rank 6.5). His record at Florida was 122-27-1 (.817). He owns the best SEC conference game win%.
 
#23
#23
If not for some unusual circumstances (namely, my poverty), I could be rich right now.

If not for some unusual circumstances [including the fact that I was born WITH a brain], I could be a Cocks fan.
 
#24
#24
Liper said:
So, you gave him the BAMA win in 1993? No matter.

He's a good coach; I don't think we're denying that he's been successful. It's the greatness label that doesn't fit with me.

From inheriting a good program, I really don't think the above win% is that magical, especially with only one title (2 total).

In a 12 game season, that equates to 9.17 wins and 2.83 losses. Moreover, I think his win% against ranked and top 10 is either bad or awful (maybe you have that). To me, that shows he's good but not great. With that said, he did have Manning and those years do count in the whole scheme.

Here is a great coach: During his 12 seasons with the Gators, Spurrier's teams won seven Southeastern Conference championships (90,91,93,94,95,96,00), played for two more (92,99), won one national title (96) and played for one (95), and finished ranked in the nation's top 10 nine times (average end rank 6.5). His record at Florida was 122-27-1 (.817). He owns the best SEC conference game win%.
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Cheaters don't get wins. Therefore Bama lost in '93. Also, Spurrier does not get credit for an SEC Championship in '90... again cheaters should not get rewarded.

W/O Wuerrfel, Spurrier won only 2 SEC Titles, 1 SEC Championship Game win, 0 National Titles, and 0 National Title Game appearances. His record at Florida w/o Wuerrfel is 77-21 (78.57%).

Spurrier won't be considered among the great coaches of all-time unless he wins multiple national championships.

Fulmer w/o Manning is 94-29 (76.42%). His all-time record is now at 134-38 (77.91%). His regular season record is 125-30 (80.65%). Fulmer has an all-time record versus ranked opponents of 39-28 (58.21%) and w/o Manning is 29-21 (58.00%). All-time, he is 16-20 (44.44%) versus the top 10. W/O Manning, he is 14-15 versus the top 10 (48.28%). His all-time SEC record is 84-25 (77.06%) and w/o Manning it is 58-19 (75.32%).
 
#25
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allvol said:
Cheaters don't get wins. Therefore Bama lost in '93. Also, Spurrier does not get credit for an SEC Championship in '90... again cheaters should not get rewarded.

W/O Wuerrfel, Spurrier won only 2 SEC Titles, 1 SEC Championship Game win, 0 National Titles, and 0 National Title Game appearances. His record at Florida w/o Wuerrfel is 77-21 (78.57%).

Spurrier won't be considered among the great coaches of all-time unless he wins multiple national championships.

Fulmer w/o Manning is 94-29 (76.42%). His all-time record is now at 134-38 (77.91%). His regular season record is 125-30 (80.65%). Fulmer has an all-time record versus ranked opponents of 39-28 (58.21%) and w/o Manning is 29-21 (58.00%). All-time, he is 16-20 (44.44%) versus the top 10. W/O Manning, he is 14-15 versus the top 10 (48.28%). His all-time SEC record is 84-25 (77.06%) and w/o Manning it is 58-19 (75.32%).
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Ooh, those are some good stats my man. Thanks for posting them. The last vs top 10 stats I saw were different, but I trust yours.

1. If you take out Wuerffel, that means Spurrier only coached them for 8 seasons. Within those 8, he won 4 SEC titles, one of which you stripped (which is fair, because they did cheat). If yout take it out, he won 3 in 7 seasons. Thus, in 11 seaons w/out the '90 year, he won 6 SEC titles. It doesn't get much better than that, IMO. Comparatively, CPF has won 2 SEC titles in 14 seasons.

2. Keep in mind also that FL played FSU every year when FSU was unbeatable. That one game makes a big difference over time. I would argue that FSU had slightly better talent, on average, then FL did during the 90's.

3. He has the all-time best SEC win%, which I think is pretty good.

4. NC's aren't a good baromter, because we don't have a playoff. I almost don't even consider what we have as a NC system. They are icing type games to me. Playing in the SEC keeps a lot of great teams from at least getting a shot. TN in '95 would have had a shot, but was relegated to the Citrus Bowl.

5. With comparable talent, Spurrier owned CPF when CPF had his best teams. They beat us up from 91-97, save '92.

Like I said, I think CPF's record is very good. It's just not great. And I don't think it is all that comaparable to Visor's. Moreover, generalization stats need to be placed in context, else they be mined.
 
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