Don't give up yet!

[MustafaRasta]

Admittedly, I am less sold on Jancek than I am on some other position coaches like Coach Stripling and or Coach Azzanni. That being said, it's easier to just coach a position grouping. You rely on motivation and teaching moments and trying to bring the best out of your guys. What Jancek has to over come and some of you seem to be missing this, is he has to put together SEC caliber defensive schemes and game plans to stop top 10 teams on what seems like a week to week basis without talent, depth or steady senior leadership.

Unless you are counting Big Dan and Marlon Walls who was primarily a special teams player until this season as qualified tested leadership, I say we aint got it. No fault of their own, but what seniors remain(buh bye Mo Couch) have went though coaching changes and I'd wager their confidence has been destroyed by years of dismal play.

Look around at the defense right now and tell me more than four players that should legitimately be starting.

This year's recruiting class is heavy right now primarily because these incoming freshman know they have a real good chance to not only play but start this year.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Blow outs make everyone questions things. I watched the Missouri game with one of the biggest Vol fans I have ever known. By the end he was certain that Tennessee would not be relevant again for at least 20 years. The past few years have made us all expect the worst. But...The Vols beat a good team this year. We have a good recruiting class coming in. As a fan base we have to "suck it up and drive on" for just a little while longer.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Tennessee's expectations are being met I think. A lot of unexpected things have happened this season - especially in the SEC (Missouri, Auburn, UF for example). Yet we've maintained the same expectation that we started with in the preseason. Most of us, I think, predicted Auburn, Missouri, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina being toss up games more than they did UGA, UF, and ALA. So it's not like we've done anything bad or outside of where we predicted ourselves to be. We are performing as expected, despite our collective expectations for the better. :good!:

 

[LotteryPick]

To be fair, it was in the Big East and
MAC

Hopefully, he can continue, but its going to take a few staff changes to get there

Talent is relative.

 

[TGVol]

So it's not like we've done anything bad or outside of where we predicted ourselves to be. We are performing as expected, despite our collective expectations for the better. :good!:

It's news to me that going into this season we expected to score 3 points and get blown out by Mizzou.

 

[GBO97]

It's news to me that going into this season we expected to score 3 points and get blown out by Mizzou.

It's news to me that going into this season we expected Mizzou to be a top 10 team with an 8-1 record and wins over both UF and UGA.

 

[Slingshot]

To be fair, it was in the Big East and
MAC

Hopefully, he can continue, but its going to take a few staff changes to get there

Thats right. He was in the Big east and he did what he did recruiting big east talent.

Now he is in the SEC recruiting SEC talent.

Ops point is still valid.

 

[TGVol]

It's news to me that going into this season we expected Mizzou to be a top 10 team with an 8-1 record and wins over both UF and UGA.

And why couldn't we be that surprise team instead of Mizzou and Auburn? Everyone keeps saying Butch gets it so why not us?

 

[arkyvol]

of the three who've followed phil, he's the only one I feel comfortable with (of course, that he's the only one who wasn't hired by Hamilton may have something to do with that). give him time.

 

[Jake]

Talent is relative.

Exactly...

Relative to the competition.

 

[Dragon18]

Is he going to stick with Jancek? Was he like a quick hire or does he really believe in this dude's defense?

I don't think Jancek was a quick hire. As for Jancek's scheme... who knows? From what I see the scheme is fine but he needs speed in the defensive backfield and off the edges. No scheme works if you don't have the right personnel to run it. The same goes for the offense.

I think my point is that until Butch gets the players he needs it's really too early to say if this staff will truly win championships. My early assessment is positive regardless of the past 2 games and I will continue to support them. eace2:

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Right ........ He is not in Kansas any more, Dorothy

He is in the SEC

This crap gets old. Football is football. He's not recruiting MAC and Big East players. He's recruiting SEC players. I love the SEC just as much as the next person, but if you have players that are fundamentally sound, you can line up with anyone. Get out of here with that he's in the SEC BS.

 

[james_govols]

Butch is a proven winner. It doesn't matter where he came from. You think SEC coaches all started in the SEC?

Butch gets an A+ from me this year. He has 1 signature win which I wasn't expecting. He has us in contention to be bowl eligible. He also changed the mind frame of the entire team. He has a top recruiting class to restock the team.

What else could you want from a first year coach who took over a depleted program?

 

[Dragon18]

And why couldn't we be that surprise team instead of Mizzou and Auburn? Everyone keeps saying Butch gets it so why not us?

Lack of talent

Lack of time in the scheme- and yes Gus Malzohn is only one year removed from Auburn and I'm pretty sure they kept his scheme in tact.

It's really a silly question when you stop to think about it. eace2:

 

[Dragon18]

Butch is a proven winner. It doesn't matter where he came from. You think SEC coaches all started in the SEC?

Butch gets an A+ from me this year. He has 1 signature win which I wasn't expecting. He has us in contention to be bowl eligible. He also changed the mind frame of the entire team. He has a top recruiting class to restock the team.

What else could you want from a first year coach who took over a depleted program?

THIS!eace2:

 

[roster]

Is he going to stick with Jancek? Was he like a quick hire or does he really believe in this dude's defense?

The defensive backs coach, Martinez, is who needs the scrutiny. Here we are going into mid November soon and our DBs still get burned on crossing routes as we end up with two people covering one, leaving one wide the freakin open.

I mean, if you are not a good enough coach to have fixed this problem by now then you need to be shown the door.

 

[TGVol]

As for Jancek's scheme... who knows? From what I see the scheme is fine but he needs speed in the defensive backfield and off the edges. No scheme works if you don't have the right personnel to run it.

Same was said about Sunseri (until it got old hearing that and that happened very quickly). What we do know about Jancek however is that he had already failed in the SEC when he was at UGA - that makes it a harder sell that we should wait (it's not like he is unknown quantity). With our OC it's a little bit different and perhaps he should get some more time if CBJ really believes in him (although I personally would like him gone as well because I hate the spread).

 

[ViperVol]

I haven't given up.

 

[roster]

Same was said about Sunseri (until it got old hearing that and that happened very quickly). What we do know about Jancek however is that he had already failed in the SEC when he was at UGA - that makes it a harder sell that we should wait (it's not like he is unknown quantity). With our OC it's a little bit different and perhaps he should get some more time if CBJ really believes in him (although I personally would like him gone as well because I hate the spread).

At Georgia Martinez was the co-ordinator and Jancek reported to Martinez is what I have read.

 

[TGVol]

Lack of talent

Lack of time in the scheme- and yes Gus Malzohn is only one year removed from Auburn and I'm pretty sure they kept his scheme in tact.

If you mean lack of coaching talent (DC and OC) we are finally agreeing on something. And by the way, when you bring up Malzohn - nobody forced CBJ to get rid of our offensive scheme (Chaney and Pittman). That was his choice and perhaps he should have figured that our chances of winning in SEC would have been higher by keeping that scheme (including additional benefit that our experienced o-line would have probably performed better if they kept their position coaching staff intact).

 

[Jake]

Same was said about Sunseri (until it got old hearing that and that happened very quickly). What we do know about Jancek however is that he had already failed in the SEC when he was at UGA - that makes it a harder sell that we should wait (it's not like he is unknown quantity). With our OC it's a little bit different and perhaps he should get some more time if CBJ really believes in him (although I personally would like him gone as well because I hate the spread).

Agree...however, if we recruit for the spread, then the commitment to that offensive style lingers on for much longer.

 

[TGVol]

At Georgia Martinez was the co-ordinator and Jancek reported to Martinez is what I have read.

I read that too - and think it makes the whole decision to hire both of them in reversed roles even more strange.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

If you mean lack of coaching talent (DC and OC) we are finally agreeing on something. And by the way, when you bring up Malzohn - nobody forced CBJ to get rid of our offensive scheme (Chaney and Pittman). That was his choice and perhaps he should have figured that our chances of winning in SEC would have been higher by keeping that scheme (including additional benefit that our experienced o-line would have probably performed better if they kept their position coaching staff intact).

Are you slow in real life or just on VOLNATION? CBJ has his own scheme that has worked at his every stop. Why would he change it now?

 

[TGVol]

Are you slow in real life or just on VOLNATION? CBJ has his own scheme that has worked at his every stop. Why would he change it now?

You are slow if you don't understand that his every other stop included Central Michigan and Cincy and there is no evidence what worked there has to work against the big boys (it may eventually but it's unknown for sure right now). People often link CBJ with Kelly who according to some has done well at ND. But we saw how well his schemes worked when he met our primary historical rival Bama (about as well as CBJ did vs Saban a few weeks ago).

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

And why couldn't we be that surprise team instead of Mizzou and Auburn? Everyone keeps saying Butch gets it so why not us?

C'mon, Auburn was loaded with talent that the previous coach screwed up and talent that Malzahn had a hand in recruiting, so they already had an idea of his scheme and he their talent...Mizzou had talent last year but had injuries and guess what, they still have the same coaching staff in place for the last 4-5 years if not longer...both of those situations are nowhere near the problems that Butch walked into...That's why they are performing better...compare us to Arky is a more relevant argument...