Elijah Drinkwitz Extension

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PEPPERJAX said:
Refreshing to see other SEC programs doing dumb sh1t.
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I honestly don't think it all that dumb (for them) because I have doubts they could hire a coach that is materially better than him. If they didn't have Drink, they very easily could have any number of guys who would go 3-9/4-8 there every year. There's no good reason why Mizzou should be a good football program, and the good seasons they do have are outliers.

With the latest SEC TV deal, paying a coach between $4-6m/year over the next several seasons really isn't all that much money, even for a lower-tier SEC program like Mizzou. He's still one of the lowest-paid coaches in the conference even with this raise.
 
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05_never_again said:
I honestly don't think it all that dumb (for them) because I have doubts they could hire a coach that is materially better than him. If they didn't have Drink, they very easily could have any number of guys who would go 3-9/4-8 there every year. There's no good reason why Mizzou should be a good football program, and the good seasons they do have are outliers.

With the latest SEC TV deal paying a coach between $4-6m/year over the next several seasons really isn't all that much money, even for a lower-tier SEC program like Mizzou. He's still one of the lowest-paid coaches in the conference even with this raise.
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That is a good point. The earlier post was made based on what UT has done with lesser coaches before Heupel. That was my angle. I am happy Mizzou is content with giving an extension to Drink. Mizzou's program could also stumble upon a good coach like Kansas. Vols need to have automatic wins in November like the days of old.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
That is a good point. The earlier post was made based on what UT has done with lesser coaches before Heupel. That was my angle. I am happy Mizzou is content with giving an extension to Drink. Mizzou's program could also stumble upon a good coach like Kansas. Vols need to have automatic wins in November like the days of old.
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They could, but as long as Tennessee is "right" it really shouldn't matter what coach Mizzou has. Mizzou is only a threat to beat us when we suck due to self-inflicted wounds.

If we're worried about what coach a program like Mizzou has, then we've got problems.
 
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05_never_again said:
They are paying for the right to not have a coach worse than him, which I think they could pretty easily have. I think they know that they very easily could be a Vandy-like program, consistently winning 0-2 conference games a year.
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That's a serious reach.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
That's a serious reach.
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Why is it a reach to say that Mizzou could be a consistently bad program?

Since 1980, Missouri has finished the season as a ranked team 8 times. 5 of those 8 seasons were in an 8-year stretch under Gary Pinkel. Missouri coaches not named Gary Pinkel have finished ranked a grand total of 3 times in 41 seasons.

They aren't quite as bad as Vandy (that's why I said Vandy-like), but they could easily be much worse than they are. They are 40-48 (.455) in conference play since entering the SEC, which is much better than I thought they'd be when they first came in.
 
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The Missouri AD is kicking the can down the road so he wont have to make a decision for a while.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If Drink is going to get $6M next year and I believe Heupel is scheduled currently to get $5M and change next year....... I'm betting Danny White is busy loading a Brinks truck.

If $6M/yr is what bottom tier SEC coaches are getting, what should Josh Heupel be getting?
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Probably $7-8m, but it'll ultimately be more than that. Especially if Heup's agent is good at getting him plausibly connected to other coaching jobs.
 
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05_never_again said:
Probably $7-8m, but it'll ultimately be more than that. Especially if Heup's agent is good at getting him plausibly connected to other coaching jobs.
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I wouldnt mind 8m a year if the timeline is kept below 8 years. At least if its guarenteed.

I wonder if any coaches out there have like a 10 year contract but only the next rolling 3 or 4 seasons are "guarenteed" while the buyout includes a couple years more.
 
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Sounds really dumb to me. But at the same time Mizzou has had alot of close games this year. I tend to think it's fools gold though. Drink is supposed to be an offensive coach, but they don't have an explosive offense. Their games are more low scoring.

I dont think it's a sustainable formula for Mizzou. Football is more of an offensive game now and Mizzou won't be able to recruit consistently to rely on their defense to perform in the SEC. Especially considering whomever is responsible for the defensive turnaround will be plucked off the coaching staff.
 
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LouderVol said:
I wouldnt mind 8m a year if the timeline is kept below 8 years. At least if its guarenteed.

I wonder if any coaches out there have like a 10 year contract but only the next rolling 3 or 4 seasons are "guarenteed" while the buyout includes a couple years more.
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In practice, what you mentioned there in bold I think is pretty standard. If a coach has $50m left on a 5-year contract with a $30m buyout, which is really common, the next 3 years of the contract are effectively guaranteed.

I guess this speaks to the leverage these coaches have in negotiations, but I cannot believe these contracts are not more incentive-laden. Make it really worth their while for these coaches to have big seasons. I'm not talking about stuff like a $7m salary with a $500k bonus for winning a title. I'm talking about the pay difference between a great season and a bad season being several million dollars.

I'd have no problem with Heupel making $9-10m this year if we finished 11-1 with a CFP appearance or appearance in a NY6 bowl. I'd have no problem with him making a salary equivalent to the highest paid coach in the country if he won a national title in any given season. If Heup goes 8-4, maybe he makes $6m. If he doesn't hit any of the stated incentives, maybe he makes a base of something like $3m and nothing else. That seems more than fair. Good performance gets paid.
 
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05_never_again said:
I honestly don't think it all that dumb (for them) because I have doubts they could hire a coach that is materially better than him. If they didn't have Drink, they very easily could have any number of guys who would go 3-9/4-8 there every year. There's no good reason why Mizzou should be a good football program, and the good seasons they do have are outliers.

With the latest SEC TV deal, paying a coach between $4-6m/year over the next several seasons really isn't all that much money, even for a lower-tier SEC program like Mizzou. He's still one of the lowest-paid coaches in the conference even with this raise.
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6-6 is a good place for them, and historically, an improvement. I never knew Mizz had football even in the Big8/Big12 until that Chase kid was QB.
 
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Wow, that's pretty dumb.

Sure, maybe it could be worse, but Odom was better than Drinkwitz. So they fired Odom to hire a worse coach and now they extend him and give him a massive raise for having a worse record? LOL.
 
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