Ell Ash

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I read it on scout earlier today.

Good or bad. Whatever, just get on with it and get focused.
 
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Ash also lost his scholarship and will have to pay for school.
 
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If Ash does make it, he won't be on scholarship next fall and will have to pay his own way.

"There are no promises once we get through this spring," Fulmer said.
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I'm not really sure what his status is. Sounds to me like once this semester is over, he's on his own unless CPF awards him another scholarship. But it kind of depends how you read it.
 
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(vixenvol @ Mar 31 said:
Tennessean link The way I read it, if he messes up again he will lose his scholarship. Maybe he will behave.
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This is what I read....
Fulmer said UT's final six practices would determine Ash's future. The lineman from Willingboro, N.J., returned to practice Thursday. Fulmer said Ash will not be on scholarship this fall even if he is allowed to return.




"If he stays, he'll pay his own way if this works out," Fulmer said. "He certainly has taken the punishment quite well. He had certain things he had to do, and he's done those. His academics are in good order."
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Looks like I need to stop trying to watch AFV and pay attention to what I am readin'. :crazy:
 
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"It's never been anything with him other than maturing and his attitude."

This is completely true of most all of UT's male football (troubled) players. You do not really see much of it with the Lady VOLS.





 
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(Vol67 @ Apr 1 said:
Ash should have not been allowed back.
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I may have to disagree. His scholly was taken away after he lost his cool during a practice. He was trying to break up a fight and in the heat of the moment said some things he regrets.

He was immediately suspended and his scholarship was permanently revoked. The leadership group of the football team approached Fulmer and asked Fulmer to re-instate Ash.

Ash was not involved in anything illegal, just a loss of judgement during an intensely emotional moment. This has happened hundreds of times on hundreds of teams without many, if any permanent suspensions. I suspect Ash's suspension was more a product of the 12 or 13 off the field issues that had happened over the previous year. In addition, Toeaina was guilty as charged of the same acts and did not have his scholly revoked.

This is a situation in which IMO you give a kid a second chance. If this had been a money, drugs or guns issue, by all means revoke the scholarship and help the player pack and move on.
 
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What else did Ash do besides use profanity in front of Mike Hamilton? My second question is why was Mike Hamilton even there at practice, my thrid question is had Mike Hamilton not have heard Ash would anything have been done at all and in closing has Mike Hamilton never used profanity?Just wondering.
 
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(utfantilidie @ Apr 1 said:
What else did Ash do besides use profanity in front of Mike Hamilton? My second question is why was Mike Hamilton even there at practice, my thrid question is had Mike Hamilton not have heard Ash would anything have been done at all and in closing has Mike Hamilton never used profanity?Just wondering.
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My guess would be disrespecting coaches and teammates. I doubt just profanity would cause him to get kicked off the team. No one knows for sure except for the people that were there, so I'm sure we'll never know.
 
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Cussing out the HC got him kicked off the team and he did it in front of the AD and the team.

I got news for you utfantilidie Unfortuantely Hamilton is Fulmer's Boss, Head of the Athletic Dept. and has every right to be there.
 
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(BHAMVOLFAN @ Apr 1 said:
I may have to disagree. His scholly was taken away after he lost his cool during a practice. He was trying to break up a fight and in the heat of the moment said some things he regrets.

He was immediately suspended and his scholarship was permanently revoked. The leadership group of the football team approached Fulmer and asked Fulmer to re-instate Ash.

Ash was not involved in anything illegal, just a loss of judgement during an intensely emotional moment. This has happened hundreds of times on hundreds of teams without many, if any permanent suspensions. I suspect Ash's suspension was more a product of the 12 or 13 off the field issues that had happened over the previous year. In addition, Toeaina was guilty as charged of the same acts and did not have his scholly revoked.

This is a situation in which IMO you give a kid a second chance. If this had been a money, drugs or guns issue, by all means revoke the scholarship and help the player pack and move on.
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Let's get it correct right now HE CUSSED OUT THE HEAD COACH ON THE FIELD!
 
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67, I understand your objection, however, if the situation has been publicly remedied and sufficient deterents are in place to make cussing the coach undesirable for Ash or his team members, I think a second chance is in order.
 
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(Lexvol @ Apr 1 said:
67, I understand your objection, however, if the situation has been publicly remedied and sufficient deterents are in place to make cussing the coach undesirable for Ash or his team members, I think a second chance is in order.
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I agree 100% with you Lexvol. Some people, as yourself, tend to have a more realistic view and think "Outside of the Box".
 
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I agree. Considering some of the things we have seen over there in recent years, cussing the coach is not in the top 10.
 
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(Vol67 @ Apr 1 said:
Let's get it correct right now HE CUSSED OUT THE HEAD COACH ON THE FIELD!
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Looks like Fulmer's attempt to bring more discipline to the team is going to be short lived.

Can't see any scenario why you would want to allow him back on the team. What happens the next time someone cusses the coach out? "well you let ash back on the team."
 
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(USAF_Vol @ Mar 31 said:
I read it on scout earlier today.
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Yeah that article is worth reading for several reasons.

Big scrimmage set today

By: Randy Moore

Date: Apr 1, 2006

Tennessee head coach Phil Fulmer’s philosophy of offensive line play couldn’t be simpler: Find a way to put the five best blockers on the field at once.

Josh McNeil may be one of the Vols’ five best, which is why the redshirt freshman from Collins, Miss., will get a long look at center in today’s second full-scale scrimmage of the spring.
McNeil, rated America’s No. 1 center prospect as a high school senior in 2004, recently joined spring practice after recovering from shoulder surgery. The 6-4, 290-pounder has so much potential that Fulmer is toying with the idea of starting him at center and switching David Ligon, who started the last four games of 2005, to guard.

Obviously, today’s scrimmage is a huge one for McNeil and for Ligon. It’s also going to be big for several other Vols – Ell Ash, for instance. Dismissed from the team last November after a profanity-laced practice-field tirade witnessed by UT athletics director Mike Hamilton, Ash was reinstated to the team earlier this week. Originally viewed as an offensive tackle prospect, he’s working at defensive tackle this spring because of a lack of depth at that position.

Another player who hopes to open some eyes today is former UT basketball player Stanley Asumnu. The 6-5, 215-pounder has the size, speed and athleticism to contribute as a wide receiver but hasn’t played football since the eighth grade, so he has a lot to prove today if wants to be taken seriously.

Tennessee’s defensive backs have something to prove today, as well. They surrendered 37 completions, 371 passing yards and five passing touchdowns in the first full-scale scrimmage of the spring. Jason Allen may be missed more than expected, even though he was lost to a hip injury midway through the 2005 season.

“The thing we missed about Jason the most was leadership,” secondary coach Larry Slade noted recently. “Jason getting hurt opened the door up for some other guys.”

Some of those “other guys” need to step through that door today.
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i don't know oklavol fulmer deserved to be cussed out by somebody last year. the dude lost his head went off on a tirade. it happens, atleast he wasn't caught with a crack pipe or a couple of ounces of blow.
 
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(smokedog#3 @ Apr 1 said:
i don't know oklavol fulmer deserved to be cussed out by somebody last year. the dude lost his head went off on a tirade. it happens, atleast he wasn't caught with a crack pipe or a couple of ounces of blow.
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:eek:lol: :eek:lol: your cracking me up.
 
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(smokedog#3 @ Apr 1 said:
i don't know oklavol fulmer deserved to be cussed out by somebody last year.
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After the Vandy game last year, UUUUMMMMM I wanted to cuss out Fulmer. Wait I did but He wasn't around nor was Hamilton, I wish they were! :banghead:
 
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