Episcopalian? The most accepting denomination?

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trevols81

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Is this the most accepting of Christian denominations?


They allow gays to be priests in the church(there have been defections and other sects started because of this). They don't expel drunks or other "sinners" and instead attempt to heal.

This is the American off shoot of the Anglican church(Church of England). Many of our forefathers are Episcopalian.

Here are a few famous Episcopal members:

George Washington
Spiro Agnew
Chester A. Arthur
Gerald Ford
Humphrey Bogart
Bono(Anglican)
George H.W. Bush
Charlie Chaplin
Charles Darwin
Robert Boyle
Cecil B. Demille
Phillip K. Dick
T.S. Eliot
Benjamin Franklin(raised Episcopalian)
Judy Garland
Cary Grant
William Harrison
Thomas Jefferson(raised Episcopalian)
Edward Jenner
C.S. Lewis(born into the church of Ireland)
James Madison
John Locke
James Monroe
Georgia O'Keeffe
Franklin Pierce
Norman Rockwell
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Dante Rossetti
John Steinbeck
Zachary Taylor
Joseph J. Thomson
John Tyler
Henry A. Wallace
Tennessee Williams

If all these famous people were members of the Episcopalian or Anglican church then it must be doing something right.:)
 
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trevols81 said:
Is this the most accepting of Christian denominations?


They allow gays to be priests in the church(there have been defections and other sects started because of this). They don't expel drunks or other "sinners" and instead attempt to heal.
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This is no different than Catholicism.

trevols81 said:
This is the American off shoot of the Anglican church(Church of England). Many of our forefathers are Episcopalian.
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Episcopal was a name given to those in England who wanted to keep the bishopric; episcopo is the Latin root for Bishop. This name was actually a derogatory name used around the time of Charles I and Cromwell (much like "papist"); yet, it ended up becoming the short-hand name for the Church of England.

As for your list, it is impressive. I would choose a list of the Catholics over that list, though.

Acton
Anscombe
Buckley
Chaucer
Chesterson
Fitzgerald
Greene
Heaney
Hemingway
Joyce
Kerouac
Maritain
McIntyre
McCourt
More
Novak
Pope
Rice
Shakespeare (maybe)
Stein
Tolkien
Waugh
Wilde

And, that list just composes individuals who primarily spoke and wrote in English (Victor Hugo, Cervantes, etc., etc.)
 
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therealUT said:
This is no different than Catholicism.



Episcopal was a name given to those in England who wanted to keep the bishopric; episcopo is the Latin root for Bishop. This name was actually a derogatory name used around the time of Charles I and Cromwell (much like "papist"); yet, it ended up becoming the short-hand name for the Church of England.

As for your list, it is impressive. I would choose a list of the Catholics over that list, though.

Acton
Anscombe
Buckley
Chaucer
Chesterson
Fitzgerald
Greene
Heaney
Hemingway
Joyce
Kerouac
Maritain
McIntyre
McCourt
More
Novak
Pope
Rice
Shakespeare (maybe)
Stein
Tolkien
Waugh
Wilde

And, that list just composes individuals who primarily spoke and wrote in English (Victor Hugo, Cervantes, etc., etc.)
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I'd be curious to hear how Oscar Wilde rationalized his Catholic beliefs. I'm sure you will comply. Remember: I'm on your side....
 
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I understand Hemingway; now Joyce (I think an educated reading of A Portrait of an Artist an a Young Man, and Ulysses), would contradict his inclusion on this faulty list.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
I'd be curious to hear how Oscar Wilde rationalized his Catholic beliefs. I'm sure you will comply. Remember: I'm on your side....
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I am more curious as to how Jack Kerouac did so...however, as a Catholic you can basically reconcile any of your beliefs by deferring to Aquinas's statements regarding the supremacy of conscience.
 
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Graham Greene, I have no issue with, because he seemed to be the embodiment of a libertarian/liberal slant. Fitzgerald was an enigma. I would add Dos Passos and Marquez to your list, just for argument's sake, imo....
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
I understand Hemingway; now Joyce (I think an educated reading of A Portrait of an Artist an a Young Man, and Ulysses), would contradict his inclusion on this faulty list.
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Joyce might contradict his inclusion; however, as much as he railed against the Church, all of his works are laden with what is affectionately referred to as "Catholic guilt". Joyce's wife would surely reject to his inclusion, though.
 
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therealUT said:
I am more curious as to how Jack Kerouac did so...however, as a Catholic you can basically reconcile any of your beliefs by deferring to Aquinas's statements regarding the supremacy of conscience.
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I understand the reference, but his homosexuality has me questioning your true grasp of his writing....
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Graham Greene, I have no issue with, because he seemed to be the embodiment of a libertarian/liberal slant. Fitzgerald was an enigma. I would add Dos Passos and Marquez to your list, just for argument's sake, imo....
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Like I said, I did not even touch non-native English speakers (except Maritain, but he wrote much of his philosophy in both French and English).
 
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therealUT said:
Joyce might contradict his inclusion; however, as much as he railed against the Church, all of his works are laden with what is affectionately referred to as "Catholic guilt". Joyce's wife would surely reject to his inclusion, though.
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Joyce, with his 'lousy' representation of the young man betrothed, and ultimately rejected by Catholicism, is the underlying theme of his works, imo
 
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therealUT said:
This is no different than Catholicism.
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Very different. Are some Catholic priests gay? Absolutely. Does the Catholic church allow women to become priests? No. Does the Anglican church recognize an infallible Pope? No.

therealUT said:
Episcopal was a name given to those in England who wanted to keep the bishopric; episcopo is the Latin root for Bishop. This name was actually a derogatory name used around the time of Charles I and Cromwell (much like "papist"); yet, it ended up becoming the short-hand name for the Church of England.
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That is very interesting.

therealUT said:
As for your list, it is impressive. I would choose a list of the Catholics over that list, though.

Acton
Anscombe
Buckley
Chaucer
Chesterson
Fitzgerald
Greene
Heaney
Hemingway
Joyce
Kerouac
Maritain
McIntyre
McCourt
More
Novak
Pope
Rice
Shakespeare (maybe)
Stein
Tolkien
Waugh
Wilde

And, that list just composes individuals who primarily spoke and wrote in English (Victor Hugo, Cervantes, etc., etc.)
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The CC has a more impresssive, lengthy, and infamous history, no doubt.
 
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trevols81 said:
Is this the most accepting of Christian denominations?


They allow gays to be priests in the church(there have been defections and other sects started because of this). They don't expel drunks or other "sinners" and instead attempt to heal.

This is the American off shoot of the Anglican church(Church of England). Many of our forefathers are Episcopalian.

Here are a few famous Episcopal members:

George Washington
Spiro Agnew
Chester A. Arthur
Gerald Ford
Humphrey Bogart
Bono(Anglican)
George H.W. Bush
Charlie Chaplin
Charles Darwin
Robert Boyle
Cecil B. Demille
Phillip K. Dick
T.S. Eliot
Benjamin Franklin(raised Episcopalian)
Judy Garland
Cary Grant
William Harrison
Thomas Jefferson(raised Episcopalian)
Edward Jenner
C.S. Lewis(born into the church of Ireland)
James Madison
John Locke
James Monroe
Georgia O'Keeffe
Franklin Pierce
Norman Rockwell
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Dante Rossetti
John Steinbeck
Zachary Taylor
Joseph J. Thomson
John Tyler
Henry A. Wallace
Tennessee Williams

If all these famous people were members of the Episcopalian or Anglican church then it must be doing something right.:)
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what about Willie fing nelson ?
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Graham Greene, I have no issue with, because he seemed to be the embodiment of a libertarian/liberal slant. Fitzgerald was an enigma. I would add Dos Passos and Marquez to your list, just for argument's sake, imo....
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libertarian/liberal slant? Libertarian's are conservative.
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trevols81 said:
Very different. Are some Catholic priests gay? Absolutely. Does the Catholic church allow women to become priests? No. Does the Anglican church recognize an infallible Pope? No.
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I was just commenting on the specific things you listed.

trevols81 said:
That is very interesting.
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Something I learned while watching the documentary series, Monarchy.

trevols81 said:
The CC has a more impresssive, lengthy, and infamous history, no doubt.
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Really, sets the bar in all three areas (well, Judaism has a more lengthy history).
 
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There's a 74 year old Episcopal Priest walking the AT right now, he just left Newfound Gap. The same guy built a school for handicapped children in Haiti in his 60s and 2 years ago was one of the first Americans to make it into Haiti after the devastating earthquake (he hitched a ride in with $10K in a money belt to buy the kids food).

There's some good ones in the Episcopal Church.
 
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therealUT said:
Speaking of Lee, as I have further explored the issue of military ethics within the discussion of natural human rights, I have gained much more respect for Lee.
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He is a torn individual, he attempted all of his life to never even be a shred of his fathers character.
 
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Same with everybody else in Texas. I was baptized at Lovers Lane United Methodist in Dallas (Mickey Mantle's funeral procession was there)
 
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