Equal Opportunity Agency states minorities commit more crimes

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So, someone who has had a hiccup in their life should never, ever be employed?

I think the point is that an employer has a right to not hire someone due to a criminal background if they so choose as long as they have this standard across the board.

They are stating it is unfair because it attacks minorities.
 
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On one hand I find this a total load of BS. I have customers that state in our contracts that we cannot have a felon working on their property plus we do enter sensitive areas at airports so background checks are required.

On the other hand, I firmly believe that once you do your time (no parole), you should be done and your crime shouldn't be held against you. The current system just perpetuates crime by putting people who have paid their debt at a disadvantage leaving them little choices.
 
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I'd kinda like to know if someone was a thief before I hired them. It should be the employers decision, their livelihood is at stake. One hiring mistake can ruin some businesses. The company I work for is in the crapper because of one person (with a previous record) stealing. Unemployment is still pretty high, surely there are people out there without this kind of baggage. People have to be accountable for their actions.
 
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I believe in redemption and think rationalizing the effect of the background checks is a good thing. Currently, employers use the background check to filter out anyone with any sort of history. This gives them some room to look at the history and then decide if there is a business risk. If there is risk then you don't have to hire--i.e. you won't be forced to hire a person convicted of theft to work in your accounting department.

The new 55-page document, intended to prevent racial and ethnic discrimination, calls on employers to use criminal background checks only when they can show they are job-related and necessary for the business. For example, the guidelines say employers should consider the "nature of the crime, the time elapsed and the nature of the job."

The guidelines also caution that "arrests are not proof of criminal conduct" and may not be sufficient to exclude a candidate.

I know a lot of people who have felony drug convictions on their records but are now clean, hard working adults and model citizens. Many of them are actively trying to teach their own children how to make better choices then they made growing up. But, they do find challenges getting good jobs that they are more than qualified for simply because the background check gets their application tossed out early in the process. I think someone who made a big mistake and recovered from it probably will make a pretty good employee.
 
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One wonders if the usual suspect reactionary retards on this board EVER bother to read what they post. From the article:



The new 55-page document, intended to prevent racial and ethnic discrimination, calls on employers to use criminal background checks only when they can show they are job-related and necessary for the business. For example, the guidelines say employers should consider the "nature of the crime, the time elapsed and the nature of the job."

The guidelines also caution that "arrests are not proof of criminal conduct" and may not be sufficient to exclude a candidate.

The EEOC acted in part because blacks and Hispanics are far more likely to get caught up in the legal system. Given current incarceration rates, about one in 17 white men are likely to serve time in prison during their lifetimes, compared with one in three African-American men, the agency said.

Employer advocates were pleased the EEOC did not entirely bar the use of criminal background checks.

“The new guidance may require employers to tweak existing policies, but is largely a collective restatement of the EEOC's longstanding guidance documents on employer use of criminal background checks,” said Katharine Parker, an employment attorney for Proskauer.

The EEOC does not have the authority to ban “all uses of arrest or conviction records or other screening devices,” said EEOC spokeswoman Christine Nazer. “The EEOC simply seeks to ensure that their use are undertaken carefully to ensure that employment opportunities are not denied inappropriately.”



So, the rules require that you have a job related reason to check. If the position calls for someone to go into people's homes, maybe to deliver furniture or do some kind of work, you can still do the check. Even the attorney for employers says it really doesn't change anything other than make sure that there is some kind of relationship between the job and the background check.
 
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At least I admitted it when I overlooked the tag line.

Doubt anyone will amdit they didn't bother to read the substance of this article, which is that this rule changes very little and is just a formalization of policies already in place and not particularly burdensome or problematic for employers.

Ash clown
 
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At least I admitted it when I overlooked the tag line.

Doubt anyone will amdit they didn't bother to read the substance of this article, which is that this rule changes very little and is just a formalization of policies already in place and not particularly burdensome or problematic for employers.

actually you railed on the writer without even looking to see who it was. Little different than just overlooking something

You are everything you claim to hate. You should learn to embrace it
 
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So the message here is that background checks are discriminatory because they disproportionately impact minorities because minorities commit more crimes?

That begs the question of what the ruling would be if: 1) there was no link between minority status and criminal behavior or 2) if minorities commited fewer crimes than the majority.
 
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So the message here is that background checks are discriminatory because they disproportionately impact minorities because minorities commit more crimes?

That begs the question of what the ruling would be if: 1) there was no link between minority status and criminal behavior or 2) if minorities commited fewer crimes than the majority.


I am assuming that, as a college professor, you see the error in your logic and are just using the bolded above as bait.
 
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I am assuming that, as a college professor, you see the error in your logic and are just using the bolded above as bait.

a lawyer calling out a college professor on logical errors?

what's next, cats sleeping with dogs? anarchy?
 
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I am assuming that, as a college professor, you see the error in your logic and are just using the bolded above as bait.

I was alluding to the relative rate as is directly stated here in the article

The EEOC acted in part because blacks and Hispanics are far more likely to get caught up in the legal system. Given current incarceration rates, about one in 17 white men are likely to serve time in prison during their lifetimes, compared with one in three African-American men, the agency said.

And implied throughout the article.

Didn't you lecture us on making comments without reading the article?
 
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The EEOC acted in part because blacks and Hispanics are far more likely to get caught up in the legal system. Given current incarceration rates, about one in 17 white men are likely to serve time in prison during their lifetimes, compared with one in three African-American men, the agency said.

Thats racist
 
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lawgator loves this because it is a cash cow for lawyers.

How does one define the line between reasonable and not reasonable?

I'm bet many juries are about to decide in civil court.

And again the business owner gets screwed.
 
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LG honest question.

I own a call center, we take no money, no bonding needed. I do background checks though and do not hire people with felonies for violent crime due to wanting a safe work place.

If I suddenly stop this and hire a person who is a convicted rapist and they rape someone in my office in the bathroom while on break am I liable for a lawsuit from the woman because I did not create a safe work enviornment due to not checking backgrounds?

Be honest LG.

Be honest.
 
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lawgator loves this because it is a cash cow for lawyers.

How does one define the line between reasonable and not reasonable?

I'm bet many juries are about to decide in civil court.

And again the business owner gets screwed.


I have no dog in that fight.

Besides which, the rules just codify already existing policy. You guys go and on about uncertainty in government regulation. Well, here they are putting on paper what is already in practice, which one would think will reduce uncertainty.
 
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LG honest question.

I own a call center, we take no money, no bonding needed. I do background checks though and do not hire people with felonies for violent crime due to wanting a safe work place.

If I suddenly stop this and hire a person who is a convicted rapist and they rape someone in my office in the bathroom while on break am I liable for a lawsuit from the woman because I did not create a safe work enviornment due to not checking backgrounds?

Be honest LG.

Be honest.

I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know if a criminal attack by one employee on another is actionable as against the employer. I suppose you are right someone could claim it, but I don't know that it is viable in your jurisdiction.

Abiding by the rules might be offered up by you as a defense, too. That is, let's assume something like that happens. If you can't do the check by law, it might bar the claim or at least be considered in whether you can be held liable.

Interesting because, if so, these regulations might actually HELP employers by reducing liability for crimes by new hires with undiscovered records.
 

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