Even more NCAA corruption (Fiesta Bowl)

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The whole system is beyond corrupt.

I wish I could get six figures to organize a single game every year.
 
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The NCAA is a joke only because they turn over the entire postseason of its most prominent sport to these f'n crooks.
 
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so the NCAA is a joke but your wish is to let the joke run a cfb post season. Brilliant.
 
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Better than doling out millions to some schmucks in the form of salary for running ONE game a year, and schmoozing potential sponsors as well as illegal donations they make. At least if the 'AA were running the show, a bigger part of the money would go where it belongs: back into the coffers of the programs playing the bowl games.
 
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milohimself said:
Better than doling out millions to some schmucks in the form of salary for running ONE game a year, and schmoozing potential sponsors as well as illegal donations they make. At least if the 'AA were running the show, a bigger part of the money would go where it belongs: back into the coffers of the programs playing the bowl games.
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Ah, and I bet you think letting the government run health care is better than individual orgs running. Yeah, run with that.

You're trying to look at it thru blinders. All you see is "corruption" and "greed", etc... but you forget that in the end, it really doesnt matter. Why? Because the amount of money paid to the schools/conferences if fixed. Win or lose you get X dollars. The bottom line of the __ Bowl doesnt matter. Bowls give a guaranteed payout. Flip the coin and say it was NCAA administering the money. Now, this corruption does directly effect the bottom line. All money comes in, all expenses are paid, then the money is divvied out. That's what they do with basketball. Same 'greed' and 'corruption' comes from one entity controlling the entire system too. Actually even worse as there's no competition to compare to. Its easy to say the CEO of the Fiesta Bowl is overpaying himself - just look at the CEOs of the other BCS bowls. Its impossible to say if the CEO of the NCAA is overpaying himself.

As long as the bottom line paid to the schools are not effected, this isnt a NCAA thing nor a cfb thing. Its an IRS issue and that's it.
 
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Explain to me why it is that the NCAA needs another group running the post season of its most prominent sport.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Ah, and I bet you think letting the government run health care is better than individual orgs running. Yeah, run with that.

You're trying to look at it thru blinders. All you see is "corruption" and "greed", etc... but you forget that in the end, it really doesnt matter. Why? Because the amount of money paid to the schools/conferences if fixed. Win or lose you get X dollars. The bottom line of the __ Bowl doesnt matter. Bowls give a guaranteed payout. Flip the coin and say it was NCAA administering the money. Now, this corruption does directly effect the bottom line. All money comes in, all expenses are paid, then the money is divvied out. That's what they do with basketball. Same 'greed' and 'corruption' comes from one entity controlling the entire system too. Actually even worse as there's no competition to compare to. Its easy to say the CEO of the Fiesta Bowl is overpaying himself - just look at the CEOs of the other BCS bowls. Its impossible to say if the CEO of the NCAA is overpaying himself.

As long as the bottom line paid to the schools are not effected, this isnt a NCAA thing nor a cfb thing. Its an IRS issue and that's it.
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To paraphrase: private sector greed and corruption (bowls) is much more desirable and less offensive/more acceptable to any sanctioning body (NCAA) greed and corruption.

That's a really convincing arguement. You still didn't answer milo's question.
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JayVols said:
To paraphrase: private sector greed and corruption (bowls) is much more desirable and less offensive/more acceptable to any sanctioning body (NCAA) greed and corruption.

That's a really convincing arguement. You still didn't answer milo's question.
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Paraphrase correct. If the bowl wants to blow their money on things, its has no effect on the game, the teams, or the conferences. What they do with their income and expenses is between them and the IRS. Best thing about it is if the Fiesta (or any bowl for that fact) is deemed to be using their money in funny ways, they can be replaced. If the NCAA is deemed to be using the money in the same way, there is no replacement. You cant disband the NCAA. Even if you did you'd just have NCAA.2.

Cant answer Milo until he answers me. Not sure if he means the BCS or something else. My guess is BCS but no need for a lengthy response for nothing
 
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milohimself said:
Explain to me why it is that the NCAA needs another group running the post season of its most prominent sport.
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Especially when the self interest of the individual is placed before the best interest of the teams involved and preventative measures against changing the system occur.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Paraphrase correct. If the bowl wants to blow their money on things, its has no effect on the game, the teams, or the conferences. What they do with their income and expenses is between them and the IRS. Best thing about it is if the Fiesta (or any bowl for that fact) is deemed to be using their money in funny ways, they can be replaced. If the NCAA is deemed to be using the money in the same way, there is no replacement. You cant disband the NCAA. Even if you did you'd just have NCAA.2.

Cant answer Milo until he answers me. Not sure if he means the BCS or something else. My guess is BCS but no need for a lengthy response for nothing
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The guys who are running the bowls represent the peak of corruption in college athletics, and they are not getting replaced.

Before you go running off at the mouth about my "big government" antics or whatever it was you said, the lack of free market for ticket pricing is one of the things doing participant schools in. Virginia Tech and Stanford, for example, had a swath of overpriced tickets crammed down their throats so the OB saw a $7mil gate before a single ticket was sold to the public. Many of these seats were faced at $255 a pop... Yet you saw the number of empty seats in the stadium.

The bottom line is this: Every year, 70 AD's, mostly publicly funded, across the country get taken to the cleaner to play in bowl games and the only reason anybody can give as to why is that it's the way its only been. The programs who should be benefiting by earning a bowl bid end up operating in the red by tens of millions of dollars collectively while idiots like Junker scratch themselves $600,000 checks for putting together one game.

In the end, there is no way to hold these mother****ers accountable unless they do something illegal with the millions of dollars they're running away with at the expense of public and private institutions. You can't defend that.
 
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milohimself said:
The guys who are running the bowls represent the peak of corruption in college athletics, and they are not getting replaced.

Before you go running off at the mouth about my "big government" antics or whatever it was you said, the lack of free market for ticket pricing is one of the things doing participant schools in. Virginia Tech and Stanford, for example, had a swath of overpriced tickets crammed down their throats so the OB saw a $7mil gate before a single ticket was sold to the public. Many of these seats were faced at $255 a pop... Yet you saw the number of empty seats in the stadium.

The bottom line is this: Every year, 70 AD's, mostly publicly funded, across the country get taken to the cleaner to play in bowl games and the only reason anybody can give as to why is that it's the way its only been. The programs who should be benefiting by earning a bowl bid end up operating in the red by tens of millions of dollars collectively while idiots like Junker scratch themselves $600,000 checks for putting together one game.

In the end, there is no way to hold these mother****ers accountable unless they do something illegal with the millions of dollars they're running away with at the expense of public and private institutions. You can't defend that.
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Spot on there, anyone remember the story from the last bowl season about Uconn? Yeah they didn't sell squat for tickets and basically had to eat the cost. It's a real shame that this continues to happen, the only money being made by teams in these games are the ones at the top getting 15+ million dollar payouts just for showing up. You are absolutely right about why they don't change it, because "that's how it's always been". The BCS is just the old Bowl Alliance with new pretty frills and a fancy computer.
 
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It's not even that much. IIRC, Florida netted only a few hundred grand for its 2008 BCSCG win after conference payouts, while the programs who made bowl games on the receiving end of this redistribution were still operating in the red.
 
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milohimself said:
It's not even that much. IIRC, Florida netted only a few hundred grand for its 2008 BCSCG win after conference payouts, while the programs who made bowl games on the receiving end of this redistribution were still operating in the red.
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That's absurd, so you're telling me that even with conference payouts and bowl payouts that, because of expenses incurred that teams like Florida barely make a profit? That's awful, kind of goes to show that while Hamilton isn't a great sports guy he does know how to balance a check book. Until someone steps in and changes the systems, teams are never going to benefit from playing in these games.
 
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