Every down back?

Is Dylan Sampson-an every down back?

  • Yes

    Votes: 79 52.7%

  • No

    Votes: 63 42.0%

  • 3rd/situation

    Votes: 8 5.3%
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    150
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Jimmyandjoes

Jimmyandjoes

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I read (and see) where Sampson-struggles with pass blocking-particularly picking up the blitz. Can coach scheme around that or is Sampson a situational / 3rd down back?
I'd like to see him more involved in the passing and screen game, if he can get in the field.
BTW-the shovel pass may have been the call of the game(3rd down after UTSA was gaining big mo-great call)
 
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VolBricks said:
I do not think he is as good at pass blocking as the other two backs. With that said he is clearly the best pure runner we have rushing the ball now. I think Cam Seldon may wind up being the best pure rusher next year.
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Curious, what have you seen that makes you believe Seldon will be the best rusher next year?

ftsandersvol said:
No back these days is an every down back. That is unless the coaching staff wants them to have a very short career at running back.
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I agree. Situational running back by committee is the smarter approach.
 
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If the question was "Will Dylan Sampson become capable of being an every-down back?" I think we'd see different results.
 
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VolBricks said:
I do not think he is as good at pass blocking as the other two backs. With that said he is clearly the best pure runner we have rushing the ball now. I think Cam Seldon may wind up being the best pure rusher next year.
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I hope Sampson will still be here next year. Small leaves, it'll just be Wright and Sampson. I don't see Wright going pro and hope Sampson doesn't transfer
 
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VolBricks said:
[...] I think Cam Seldon may wind up being the best pure rusher next year.
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I think the future value of Seldon in this offense will be as a "good" rusher who has the speed to break long runs, but also able to shift out wide on any play as an every-route backfield receiver.

When you have a running back who can also run every route on the tree, you've put the defensive coordinator in a compromising predicament, where on every down he must have enough quality DBs on the field to cover 5 quality receivers plus the TE.

With those LBs on the sideline, it becomes really tough to stop the run.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I read (and see) where Sampson-struggles with pass blocking-particularly picking up the blitz. Can coach scheme around that or is Sampson a situational / 3rd down back?
I'd like to see him more involved in the passing and screen game, if he can get in the field.
BTW-the shovel pass may have been the call of the game(3rd down after UTSA was gaining big mo-great call)
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Not sure I understand your premise. When you mention him being suspect as a pass blocker, why would he be your choice for situational/3rd down back assuming you meant 3rd down to be a passing down? Regardless, in this offense, I think our staff just gets in a comfort zone with certain players and they just forget about others. Sadly, most of those players are upperclassmen who just aren't that good. They've got experience but they are what they are. It's the Mark Levine syndrome.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
My bad; I should have finished that thought.

I was thinking body development... the muscle to absorb and shed impact, and to push through for those critical extra inches on short yardage.
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I think he's closer from the body development/physical side than the pass protection side to being an every-down back. Although, the improvement of one usually correlates with the other; a little bit of chicken and egg, if you will. Like stated above, the every-down back idea is going away and I think for the good of the players' health.

One of my best friends played RB at an SEC school, which shall go unnamed. He put it well, "The hardest hit you ever took in high school, those are the weak hits in an SEC practice, much less game."
 
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BruisedOrange said:
I think the future value of Seldon in this offense will be as a "good" rusher who has the speed to break long runs, but also able to shift out wide on any play as an every-route backfield receiver.

When you have a running back who can also run every route on the tree, you've put the defensive coordinator in a compromising predicament, where on every down he must have enough quality DBs on the field to cover 5 quality receivers plus the TE.

With those LBs on the sideline, it becomes really tough to stop the run.
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Cam seldom is like deebo samuel.
 
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Volfanstucknga said:
Curious, what have you seen that makes you believe Seldon will be the best rusher next year?



I agree. Situational running back by committee is the smarter approach.
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Everyone was commenting about how fast and shifty he was for someone his size in fall practice. Here is some of the recruiting info on him:
Seldon's speed, size, and vision make him an ideal running back in the SEC. He has also been timed running a 4.2-second 40-yard dash. At 222 lbs., moving at that speed, you would be hard pressed to find a linebacker or defensive back in the SEC that would have an easy time bringing down that load on their own
 
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VolBricks said:
Everyone was commenting about how fast and shifty he was for someone his size in fall practice. Here is some of the recruiting info on him:
Seldon's speed, size, and vision make him an ideal running back in the SEC. He has also been timed running a 4.2-second 40-yard dash. At 222 lbs., moving at that speed, you would be hard pressed to find a linebacker or defensive back in the SEC that would have an easy time bringing down that load on their own
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He definitely has the measurables. Ranked in the top 150 as well. One comment is he has limited Varsity playing time. Covid really messed these kids up. He certainly has potential and I'm hoping he's a stud.
 
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He will not fully move into that role until he learns how to pass block. There have been 2 sacks this year because he whiffed on a blitz pickup. He learns that and no one will keep him off the field.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I read (and see) where Sampson-struggles with pass blocking-particularly picking up the blitz. Can coach scheme around that or is Sampson a situational / 3rd down back?
I'd like to see him more involved in the passing and screen game, if he can get in the field.
BTW-the shovel pass may have been the call of the game(3rd down after UTSA was gaining big mo-great call)
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The pass blocking comes with time and strength. I believe Huepel's first year we saw Jabari struggle a lot with pass blocking. Tiyon Evans was a much better blocker and runner. However, the next season Jabari was our best blocker while we saw Jaylen struggle with fumbles. This year seems like Jaylen has developed into more complete package while Sampson still misses some pass blocking assignments. I am sure he will pick up and improve.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I read (and see) where Sampson-struggles with pass blocking-particularly picking up the blitz. Can coach scheme around that or is Sampson a situational / 3rd down back?
I'd like to see him more involved in the passing and screen game, if he can get in the field.
BTW-the shovel pass may have been the call of the game(3rd down after UTSA was gaining big mo-great call)
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He did as a Fr.... as do almost all Fr. He had one really bad blown assignment last year that got Hooker hammered.

He's improved since.
 
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Good receiver- Check
Break away speed- Check
Good (maybe not great) blocker- Check
Good inside runner- Check
Good outside runner- Check
Good short yardage runner- Check
Good in the open field- Check

Yep. Every down back. Thing is Heupel wants to have all of his RBs to be every down backs. The top 3 have proven they are.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
No back these days is an every down back. That is unless the coaching staff wants them to have a very short career at running back.
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I can only guess that you are confused about what's meant by "every down back". It isn't a back that plays every play. It is a back who is effective in any down and distance situation.
 
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Sampson is a 3 down back and the one guy that can consistently take it to the house on any play.

He has the potential to be the first Heisman Trophy winner in Tennessee history.
 
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sjt18 said:
I can only guess that you are confused about what's meant by "every down back". It isn't a back that plays every play. It is a back who is effective in any down and distance situation.
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I guess so. My rugby background may have something to do with it. In rugby you play every "down", both offense and defense, for the entire 80 minutes.
 
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There is literally no such thing as a 3rd down back in this offense. Subbing on offense allows the defense to sub and Heupel wants to avoid that at all cost. You better be able to play every down of the drive whether its 1st and 2nd run downs or 3rd down pass pro or you can't play. Heupel isn't putting guys out there that he is going to have to sub for frequently or that can only play situational downs.
 
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