Everyone but Foster gave up

[volfan2024]

Including coaches.Enough said.


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[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

I thought you were through with this board :dunno:

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Originally posted by utfantilidie@Nov 20, 2005 8:12 AM
Including coaches.Enough said.
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Agreed. CPF needs to be fired and we should not play anyone in '06 who played this season.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Well why don't we just get rid of everyone on the whole team and start over. That sounds like a brilliant plan

 

[volfan2024]

Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Nov 20, 2005 8:18 AM
I thought you were through with this board :dunno:

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:nono: Don't be a ________________- now.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Tell everyone after this season that all scholarships have been pulled. If you want to play next year you have to earn the right to a scholarship both in off-season behavior and practice performance.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Originally posted by utfantilidie@Nov 20, 2005 9:46 AM
:nono: Don't be a ________________- now.

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I'm just messin with ya a little bud :toast:

 

[dan4vols]

Foster will be a good back we can build around next season. After the coaching staff goes through its inquisition and the dust settles...the players need to go through the roughest spring practice imaginable.

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Nov 20, 2005 8:18 AM
I thought you were through with this board :dunno:

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They always return

 

[USAF_Vol]

Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Nov 20, 2005 8:24 AM
Agreed.  CPF needs to be fired and we should not play anyone in '06 who played this season.

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Have you lost your mind?!?

Arian Foster.....that is all that needs to be said. Yeah, we have played horribly. But there are some young kids who got a shot to play and gave it their all.

Fire CPF, that's insane as well. We have a bad year, I know. This "Fire Fulmer" crap needs to wait. What can he do to fix this mess? If he can't and shows little interest in changing, then he should go.

People need to chill out, it's not the end of our program. Everyone has rough seasons, change and get on with it.

 

[GIVEHIM-6]

Our biggest problem as fans is that we are use to having fairly decent seasons.It seems now that we have had one crappy as hell year that alot of people are ready to slam the door on Fulmer.I don't like what has happened this year and I agree there needs to be some staff changes but getting rid of Fulmer is not one of them.Just remember, this is the same man that gave us alot of great seasons.

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by GIVEHIM-6@Nov 20, 2005 11:17 AM
Just remember, this is the same man that gave us alot of great seasons.

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Be careful or you're going to get labelled a "sheep".

I agree with you completely. There are huge problems that need to be fixed, but despite what some want to think, Fulmer didn't suddenly get stupid after 1998.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 20, 2005 11:19 AM
Be careful or you're going to get labelled a "sheep". 

I agree with you completely.  There are huge problems that need to be fixed, but despite what some want to think, Fulmer didn't suddenly get stupid after 1998.

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He may not have gotten stupid, but he sure did get lazy. I think he is smart enough to make wholesale changes, but at this point that is just conjecture.

 

[GAVol]

I think you can definitely say that it appears that something gradually changed within the team's culture after 1998

 

[RockyTopEmpire]

Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Nov 20, 2005 11:02 AM
Have you lost your mind?!?

People need to chill out, it's not the end of our program.  Everyone has rough seasons, change and get on with it.

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I say we give the a clip board and let them try it

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 20, 2005 11:59 AM
I think you can definitely say that it appears that something gradually changed within the team's culture after 1998

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Here's one theory...

Basically, we had Peyton Manning and the 1998 season. Aside from that, what we've seen before and since is roughly similiar. Peyton masked a lot of our problems because he would not be denied and he learned a lot on his own; he made them look good (not that they're morons but that they aren't the best and brightest). 1998 was one of those years where we were really talented and got every major break in the world - which is not duplicatable and is not a process but a happenstance.

The following are sans Peyton and 1998 seasons:
NC = no championships

'93 9-2-1 (NC)
'94 8-4 (NC)
'99 9-3 (NC)
'00 8-4 (NC)
'01 11-2 (NC)
'02 8-5 (NC)
'03 10-3 (NC)
'04 10-3 (NC)
'05 4-6 (NC)

My point, which is just an observation/theory, is that Fulmer never really understood why were good when we were good, so it was never something he could proactively reproduce. If it didn't happen on its own, i.e. Peyton, Al Wilson, etc, then it had trouble happening.

This "not-understanding-how-or-why-we-are-good-or-bad-theory" seems to hold when I hear CPF talk. He just has no idea what is going wrong or how to fix. He just says he has a lot of equity.

What do you guys think?

P.S. I'm not trying to rip him, but to understand.

 

[MemphisVol]

Probably the best example of what you're talking about is the huge drop in attitude during the '99 season despite returning a huge number of the same kids who won mainly on grit in '98. As soon as the leadership stopped coming from the field, and, worse, the "I'm going to save it for the NFL" attitude started creeping in, it should have been dealt with immediately. Instead, the laissez-faire mind set was allowed to go on and a team that was more experienced and talented than '98 underperformed looked worse than their 9-3 record. Alot worse at times.

Defending an NC is hard, but every coach has to deal with teams that get NFL-itus and Fulmer (& co.) didn't. Since then, we've continued to get our best mental leadership from players.

 

[bleedingorange]

u are exactly right my man. He is very clueless as a coach anymore. He should do as Sanders did and just resign, he would do the university and all of volnation a favor. If he does stay and everyone knows he will, he should at least restructure his contract to make room for a very good OC.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 20, 2005 1:28 PM
Here's one theory...

Basically, we had Peyton Manning and the 1998 season.  Aside from that, what we've seen before and since is roughly similiar.  Peyton masked a lot of our problems because he would not be denied and he learned a lot on his own; he made them look good (not that they're morons but that they aren't the best and brightest).  1998 was one of those years where we were really talented and got every major break in the world - which is not duplicatable and is not a process but a happenstance.

The following are sans Peyton and 1998 seasons:
NC = no championships

'93 9-2-1 (NC)
'94 8-4 (NC)
'99 9-3 (NC)
'00 8-4 (NC)
'01 11-2 (NC)
'02 8-5 (NC)
'03 10-3 (NC)
'04 10-3 (NC)
'05 4-6 (NC)

My point, which is just an observation/theory, is that Fulmer never really understood why were good when we were good, so it was never something he could proactively reproduce.  If it didn't happen on its own, i.e. Peyton, Al Wilson, etc, then it had trouble happening.

This "not-understanding-how-or-why-we-are-good-or-bad-theory" seems to hold when I hear CPF talk.  He just has no idea what is going wrong or how to fix.  He just says he has a lot of equity.

What do you guys think?

P.S. I'm not trying to rip him, but to understand.

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It could be that he is capable, but got so lucky with "self developers" that he doesn't understand why every QB is not Peyton. Probably thought after Peyton that good recruiting classes= Championships. To say he didn't know what he was doing right, therefore doesn't know what he is doing wrong may be a part of the issue. He has kept the recruiting up quite well.

The hole in the theory is that the defense has developed coehesive units with definitive leadership. CPF knows he has a good defense.

I am beginning to think that the problem has been CPF and RS's assessment of offensive talent since the departure of Cut. That would explain a good bit.

 

[Liper]

Under this theory...

I think the development of the defense has stemmed from the fact that the staff on that side of the ball is a) pretty good and B) they are pretty much autonomous. Chavis has evolved into a mini-head coach of the defense. He stresses the little things, and his players respect him a lot.

Fulmer's influence is pretty much toward the offense. He sits on their meetings, he provides input, etc.

I think that explains a lot of the discrepencies between offense and defense. It also helps explain why our defensive guys improve and develop.

It's pretty much the tail of two teams most of the time.