Exaggerated 40 times of recruits?

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vogols11

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In watching the NFL combine, I can't help but notice that there are only a handfull of players that run in the 4.4 range, while there are a ton of HS players coming in every year that boast sub 4.5 times.

Is this an honest mistake derived from hand timing instead of lazer timing? It seems like kids would get faster during college workout programs and shave some time off these numbers.

Thoughts:dunno:
 
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It's tough to argue with the numbers. I think high school kids are just faster than pro football players.
 
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Sometimes. I think it's more of a reporting thing. Schools don't typically release the numbers they get from camps and visits and such to the media, so the only thing they have to go on is the non-school sponsored camps which not all recruits attend. I may be off on this, but it's mostly true. :p

Also some players actually slow from high school to college due to the added mass on their frames from S&C programs.
 
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Some may be honest mistakes and the variance in hand timing... but OTOH you seldom see kids electronicaly timed faster than their hand time.... the bias always seems to be in their favor and sometimes strongly so.

I've noticed that kids who have great 100m times in HS track usually have legit speed. Forties are generally only taken to help guys get recruited so there's a perverse incentive built in.
 
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You also have to take nerves into consideration. We are talking about the NFL Combine. People are better in places they are comfortable. Wait till the schools have thier Pro-Days, then you will start to see faster times.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
It's tough to argue with the numbers. I think high school kids are just faster than pro football players.
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Stanley morgan was the fastest player vols ever had, and the fastest who ever played college football! The coatches listed him at 4.40 , but timed him @ 4.14.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Sometimes. I think it's more of a reporting thing. Schools don't typically release the numbers they get from camps and visits and such to the media, so the only thing they have to go on is the non-school sponsored camps which not all recruits attend. I may be off on this, but it's mostly true. :p

Also some players actually slow from high school to college due to the added mass on their frames from S&C programs.
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happens with most RB's.
 
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tennezz said:
Stanley morgan was the fastest player vols ever had, and the fastest who ever played college football! The coatches listed him at 4.40 , but timed him @ 4.14.
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Fascinating.

I heard Morgan was a really poor tipper. Never left more than 10%.
 
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peaygolf89 said:
4.14.....ugh.......no
sorry.
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I watched him play during the bill battle era, he was the best reciever on the field his first 2 years. They moved him to running back his last 2 years, he could turn the corner and be gone in a heartbeat. I read an article several years ago, and 2 coaches timed him in the 40, they looked a each other and one said I got him @4.40, the other said me to. As they left the field after practice The coach looked at the other and said I really timed him @ 4.14, The other one said me to. I did not time him, but he could outrun everyone!
 
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Players do not go to college and get slower. The game is so much faster. I understand game speed and 40 are two different things though. But high school times are usually bumped for recruiting reasons. If you look at the Nike combine times of these players they are not fast either. And when I attended college camps in high school it was rare that a player at the camp broke a 4.5 if any did at all.
 
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Its how the times are clocked. In the NFL it is by laser and with most high school coaches it is taken with a stop watch by hand. This adds any where between .1 to .2 tenths of a second to your time. I know its not a lot but it can be the difference in getting drafted as a safety or corner.
 
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Perhaps not. Just a thought.

I get slower every time I read one of chavis' posts though. I can document that...I think...er...
 
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sjt18 said:
Some may be honest mistakes and the variance in hand timing... but OTOH you seldom see kids electronicaly timed faster than their hand time.... the bias always seems to be in their favor and sometimes strongly so.

I've noticed that kids who have great 100m times in HS track usually have legit speed. Forties are generally only taken to help guys get recruited so there's a perverse incentive built in.
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This.
 
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I told Vader to give you my infraction, chavis. He said he would - only because my awesomeness is superior to yours.

Oh, and those recruits are lying about 40 times...so on and so forth...
 
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The draft class is slower than previous years, period.

I question the 40 times of recruits too... guess you really dont know what you're getting unless you witness the run and time yourself or rely on the track times for sprinters.
 
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One of the problems with forty times is when a kid is in HS their bodies are built COMPLETELY different than they are 95% of the time when they leave college. In HS, it's all about speed. In college, it's all about speed and durability. Before they get to the NFL they start training mostly for the other combine events other than the 40. The 40 is over rated anyway based on the fact it isn't run with pads on. Even kids who have been clocked with sub 4.4 40's look like they aren't running fast on the football field a lot of times because they can't carry the extra weight and aren't agile enough to deal with moving differently to achieve the same results.

Simply put, the 40 time is a measurable that can never be accurate until it's measured like it's played, on the field.
 
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Not to mention the 40s just sucked this year at the combine. It seemed like everyone was running with mud on their shoes. Javon Ringer ran over a 4.6. That is terrible for a running back with NFL aspirations who was supposed to be one of the top in this class.
 
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