Failure to Communicate

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Smokeyshowl66

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As I've read the various reactions to the CBJ hire, as well as reactions to his decisions since last Friday, there is a common theme emerging. For some reason, our Chancellor, our AD and our new Head Coach are all suffering from the same disease - failure to communicate effectively with the fan base. Cheek has basically said nothing publicly about the process. Hart set expectations so high, that there was probably only one name that the majority of fans would have been happy with. And now, CBJ said he was going to hire the best coaching staff in the country and has essentially just brought his UC staff with him. I am very optimistic about CBJ, but all 3 of these men need to reflect on the words they use - they are repeatedly setting up the fan base for disappointment - which is not exactly the best PR path to reenergize a fan base.
 
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I actually agree with this
I think the PR Department is more to blame than the coaches
They know coaching and are scared to death of making a Wrong move on anything
now that can easily be picked up for National Attn

The marketing and the PR department need to step up and handle them more effectively
 
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All coaches would say that they're going to get the best because that's what the fans want to hear. Ever think the coaches he's bringing in the best coaches available/willing for his coaching philosophy, in his mind? It's all subjective when it comes to 'best' coaching staffs.
 
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Hart never set expectations high. We did as fans. He never said the word Gruden. He wanted someone with hc experience and a winning track record. He got it. Cheek needs to not say anything. Its not his place.
 
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Cbj already after Tee failure and grandiose words of best orange staff...STRIKE ONE. Not off to a good start.but what I expected
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
Hart never set expectations high. We did as fans. He never said the word Gruden. He wanted someone with hc experience and a winning track record. He got it. Cheek needs to not say anything. Its not his place.
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Yea I think as fans we need to set our expectations lower. We need to accept, as apparently the AD has, that we are not the Tennessee of old. We are now a lower tier SECE team. We should expect to win 8-9 games in a good year and 6-7 in a bad year and go to bowls that are played around Christmas and usually in a region known for something other than it's warm climate. We should not expect to compete with upper echelon teams any longer. Hey, it is what it is...
 
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govols10302bb said:
Cbj already after Tee failure and grandiose words of best orange staff...STRIKE ONE. Not off to a good start.but what I expected
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And there is that whole "best orange staff" that I don't think he ever said but everyone wants to imply he did. At this point, last year's staff was all orange, this staff will be after the season starts.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yea I think as fans we need to set our expectations lower. We need to accept, as apparently the AD has, that we are not the Tennessee of old. We are now a lower tier SECE team. We should expect to win 8-9 games in a good year and 6-7 in a bad year and go to bowls that are played around Christmas and usually in a region known for something other than it's warm climate. We should not expect to compete with upper echelon teams any longer. Hey, it is what it is...
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I dont expect anything and we are not the UT of old until we win. We did not get our 1 or number 2 coach because of this. Very simple to me. Until we show that we deserve the respect of the old UT, we won't get it from others.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yea I think as fans we need to set our expectations lower. We need to accept, as apparently the AD has, that we are not the Tennessee of old. We are now a lower tier SECE team. We should expect to win 8-9 games in a good year and 6-7 in a bad year and go to bowls that are played around Christmas and usually in a region known for something other than it's warm climate. We should not expect to compete with upper echelon teams any longer. Hey, it is what it is...
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IMO, this would be our fate regardless of the hire for the near future. The past several years have caused serious structural damage to the program that will take many years to repair.
 
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Elvis68Vol said:
IMO, this would be our fate regardless of the hire for the near future. The past several years have caused serious structural damage to the program that will take many years to repair.
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Oh contraire my caped Elvis buddy. A big time hire could have turned things around in short order. A big time hire would have had us in on 4 and 5 star recruits from day one. A big time hire would have truly hired an all-star staff (and I can almost guarantee that Tee wouldn’t have turned us down) that would have made an immediate impact on current players. When you take on a project like CBJ you can expect a long road out of the ditch we find ourselves in. Will the fans accept that this road will be long and arduous and be patient to allow this staff the full length of his contract to be successful? I kinda doubt it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Oh contraire my caped Elvis buddy. I big time hire could have turned things around in short order. A big time hire would have had us in on 4 and 5 star recruits from day one. A big time hire would have truly hired an all-star staff (and I can almost guarantee that Tee wouldn’t have turned us down) that would have made an immediate impact on current players. When you take on a project like CBJ you can expect a long road out of the ditch we find ourselves in. Will the fans accept that this roiad will be long and arduous and be patient to allow this staff the full length of his contract to be successful? I kinda doubt it.
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And how many big time coaches were knocking down our door for a job. Its a great job in our eyes....not in the national spotlight or big name coaches eyes.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
And how many big time coaches were knocking down our door for a job. Its a great job in our eyes....not in the national spotlight or big name coaches eyes.
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That's my point. When you want to catch a marlin you go to the ocean, where the big fish swim. You don't go to Billy Bob's pond where Dave Hart fishes. It is my opinion Dave Hart knew he was going lower tier. I think he may have reached out to Jimbo Fisher and Bob Stoops but other than that he settled. When Tennessee decides to get in the big boy football business it will be successful and not until. There is a formula in place. All you have to do is look south and a little west.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Oh contraire my caped Elvis buddy. A big time hire could have turned things around in short order. A big time hire would have had us in on 4 and 5 star recruits from day one. A big time hire would have truly hired an all-star staff (and I can almost guarantee that Tee wouldn’t have turned us down) that would have made an immediate impact on current players. When you take on a project like CBJ you can expect a long road out of the ditch we find ourselves in. Will the fans accept that this road will be long and arduous and be patient to allow this staff the full length of his contract to be successful? I kinda doubt it.
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Point taken but I will reserve judgement until after the recruiting period ends.
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
As I've read the various reactions to the CBJ hire, as well as reactions to his decisions since last Friday, there is a common theme emerging. For some reason, our Chancellor, our AD and our new Head Coach are all suffering from the same disease - failure to communicate effectively with the fan base. Cheek has basically said nothing publicly about the process. Hart set expectations so high, that there was probably only one name that the majority of fans would have been happy with. And now, CBJ said he was going to hire the best coaching staff in the country and has essentially just brought his UC staff with him. I am very optimistic about CBJ, but all 3 of these men need to reflect on the words they use - they are repeatedly setting up the fan base for disappointment - which is not exactly the best PR path to reenergize a fan base.
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So your blasting the new coach for failure to communicate? I think he has done fairly well so far on communication with the fans. Seems like he has also tried to mend the relationship between the former players and coaches still in the area. As far as the staff unless I heard it wrong was he would put the best staff for the system together. Say what you will his staff he brought is pretty solid. Are they sec solid? Who knows yet. I am sorry that you feel that he should be doing more just to make you feel better. Although he is trying to finalize a staff and recruit some players so we dont suck as bad next year. Maybe all your whine bags can suck it up for a while and see how this plays out. As far as Hart not disclosing much during the search. You had to expect as much. Would you rather him make it public knowledge on every coach we spoke to that possibly turned us down? I will agree that he should have spoken sooner about all the Gruden stuff. Although once it broke that he wasn't coming I had no issues how the rest of the hiring process went.
 
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Kiffin blows a bunch of smoke, people bite, then get pissed. Others say he talked to much.
Dooley was too negative and blew no smoke. Same people were pissed because he didn't blow any smoke.
Now a new coach is here, tries to get a down fanbase pumped up, and you still *****. He has been on the job for less than a week, you freaking morons. Did you want him to say he will bring in a #30 coaching staff? Who rates staffs? You. Maybe he puts together what he thinks is a top staff. Do we take your opinion over his.

It's always something.
 
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Elvis68Vol said:
Point taken but I will reserve judgement until after the recruiting period ends.
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Oh yea. I think CBJ needs his chance. Three years agon I might have bought in nut after Dooley I am completely out of fan equity. His first "at-bat" is National Signing Day for me too.
 
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