Fast and Furious back in the news, this just won't go away.

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Leak at Department of Justice pulls White House deeper into Fast and Furious « « Coach is RightCoach is Right

Now something new has been added to the mix. On March 28th, Senator Grassley wrote Kathryn Ruemmler, Barack Obama’s chief Counsel, to inform her that Congressional committees investigating Fast and Furious wanted to question Kevin O’Reilly, a former National Security Adviser to the President. (2)

O’Reilly’s relationship to Fast and Furious first surfaced last year. Former Phoenix ATF office Agent in Charge Bill Newell admitted under questioning before Darrell Issa’s House Government Affairs Committee that he had exchanged a number of emails with O’Reilly at the White House concerning gunrunning operations operations at the Arizona border. The White House later released a carefully selected few of those emails intending to prove that, as Fast and Furious was not mentioned by name, the White House knew nothing of and had no part in the scheme. (3)

But such were not the conclusions drawn by Issa or Grassley. “You didn’t get these from me” Newell prefaced one of his emails to O’Reilly as he laid out details of ATF plans for an upcoming press conference on border gunrunning. (3)

Questioned by committee members as to the reason for such a cryptic warning, Newell refused to answer, ultimately stammering it meant nothing and perhaps shouldn’t have been stated at all.

Yet the White House still refuses to allow Kevin O’Reilly to be questioned by congress. In fact, shortly after Newell admitted the ongoing correspondence, O’Reilly was shipped off to Iraq on “special assignment.”

In his email responses, O’Reilly was very interested in what Newell told him of ATF operations and guns crossing the Mexican border. He asked questions and clearly wanted additional information on Newell’s progress.

Was O’Reilly the White House point man, entrusted with gathering intelligence on the day to day goings on in the gunwalking scheme? Clearly if the White House needed a “back door channel” for obtaining information on the progress of Fast and Furious, an email exchange between “old friends” would provide excellent cover.
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Thread title very misleading.

But since i expect his titles to be misleading, it kind of isn't.
 
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Unfortunately, this does seem to be going away. Holder is going to walk away from this unscathed even though he broke federal laws and is responsible for the deaths of many people. He should be on trial for manslaughter.
 
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volinbham said:
What part - it is in the news and the investigation continues to uncover information
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No, that it won't "go away," as if it continues to have any momentum other than as brought up occasionally when folks like gsvol can't wrap their puny little heads around the fact that the vast majority of the country sees the continuing controversy, such as it is, as just some grandstanding by TP types.
 
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Dems are only concerned with legally owned guns being used in self-defense. Guns that are given to bad guys by the DoJ and used to kill federal agents are not a problem.

if it takes being a "TP type" to understand that then sign me up
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, that it won't "go away," as if it continues to have any momentum other than as brought up occasionally when folks like gsvol can't wrap their puny little heads around the fact that the vast majority of the country sees the continuing controversy, such as it is, as just some grandstanding by TP types.
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Seriously? You don't think there's any scandal whatsoever here? You honestly believe that DoJ's hands are completely clean here and that they've been honest and upfront about their role?
 
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volinbham said:
Seriously? You don't think there's any scandal whatsoever here? You honestly believe that DoJ's hands are completely clean here and that they've been honest and upfront about their role?
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No, I didn't say that. From what I've read, the DOJ have said the plan was a mistake and shouldn't have been done.

I think criticism, political and policywise, for the decision to engage that is legitimate. But there is a big difference between that and what the wingnuts are trying to do in making it seem as though Holder and Obama sat in a room and planned the whole thing out over a cerveza because of some dastardly plan of some sort.

I guess in the end I just think that the GOP has overplayed their hand on this one, trying to get a bit more mileage out of it than it merits.
 
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funny that some want legal gun owners held responsible if their guns are stolen and used in a crime. However when the govt willingly gives guns to people that murder US agents it's only TP types getting their panties in a wad. Funny how that works
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, I didn't say that. From what I've read, the DOJ have said the plan was a mistake and shouldn't have been done.

I think criticism, political and policywise, for the decision to engage that is legitimate. But there is a big difference between that and what the wingnuts are trying to do in making it seem as though Holder and Obama sat in a room and planned the whole thing out over a cerveza because of some dastardly plan of some sort.

I guess in the end I just think that the GOP has overplayed their hand on this one, trying to get a bit more mileage out of it than it merits.
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Not the idea. The idea is there was a cover up of a bad program. If they'd have come clean from the beginning it would be different. That is the scandal.
 
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volinbham said:
Not the idea. The idea is there was a cover up of a bad program. If they'd have come clean from the beginning it would be different. That is the scandal.
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Pretty weak. Doesn't seem to have caught the attention of many people outside the GOP base.

But I get it. Ever since Watergate the Republicans have had a weird obsessive need to find a scandal on a similar scale by the Democrats. They came close with Clinton, I suppose, although in the end their holier-than-thou approach backfired and Clinton finished strong and is the most popular US President of the last 50 years.

FWIW, I think the GOP would be far better off working the economy angle rather than trying to conjure up some sort of scandal they can try to pin on Obama. Feels like the GOP is desperate.
 
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utvolpj said:
funny that some in this thread want legal gun owners held responsible if their guns are stolen and used in a crime. However when the govt willingly gives guns to people that murder US agents it's only TP types getting their panties in a wad. Funny how that works
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volinbham said:
Not the idea. The idea is there was a cover up of a bad program. If they'd have come clean from the beginning it would be different. That is the scandal.
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If half of what's claimed against Holder et al is true then it's way worse than what got Scooter Libby charged.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Pretty weak. Doesn't seem to have caught the attention of many people outside the GOP base.

But I get it. Ever since Watergate the Republicans have had a weird obsessive need to find a scandal on a similar scale by the Democrats. They came close with Clinton, I suppose, although in the end their holier-than-thou approach backfired and Clinton finished strong and is the most popular US President of the last 50 years.

FWIW, I think the GOP would be far better off working the economy angle rather than trying to conjure up some sort of scandal they can try to pin on Obama. Feels like the GOP is desperate.
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Take off the partisan blinders - the entire W presidency was one big attempt to find scandal. The truth is that any administration is guilty of coverups. Why not be against them in general instead of saying if your side does it then it's no big deal but if the other does then it's an outrage.

Agree with hnd - Holder's had some pretty sleazy dealings. Why cover for him? Did you cover for Ashcroft or Gonzalez?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Pretty weak. Doesn't seem to have caught the attention of many people outside the GOP base.
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Because the media coverage of it has been pathetic.

This program wasn't simply a mistake, it was criminal. What the DOJ did was against the law and got people killed.
 
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