Ferguson Hype

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We have two stud freshman QB's. People wanting to hand the program to Dobbs because he played average against Bama's base defense for a quarter than their second and third stringers for another quarter are way off base. Ferguson may be the QB of the future, even if Dobbs plays the rest of this season.
 
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The bias on this board is sickening. If your a Dobbs supporter, he's a surefire 4 year starter. If your a Fergie supporter, the coaches are clearly just saving Ferguson because they don't want to burn his redshirt. I'm sorry but that makes no sense. They're playing to win and put in the best player in their minds. Was Dobbs outstanding? No. Was he "average" as some people have said? Absolutely not, especially given the circumstances. Be objective and pull for whichever guy is on the field. It's a lot more fun and you save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an idiot.
 
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Let's see what random thoughts I've had after reading through this:

1) The contractor/brick question. diehard had a good answer for it, but to caveat, we might not actually be laying the bricks right now. Rather, clearing up all the rubble from the previous shattered attempts at building a foundation (hence Year 0), so we can start on a clean slate with Butch's style of players and system come 2014. To correlate, this could be indicative of why he burned Dobbs' redshirt and is saving Ferg.

2) What's the deal with Tennessee QBs and breaking their thumbs?

3) I think Ferg and Dobbs are legit, and both will see lots of playing time next year. Personally, I think Dobbs' redshirt was pulled because he's a smart kid pursuing an aerospace engineering degree (and thinking about a future outside of football), and will mostly likely NOT leave early for the pros til he gets his degree, meaning more time in school and more time in uniform. Similarly, this will mean that Dobbs can play through the 2016 season, but Ferg will still be eligible to be the starting 5th year senior QB in 2017, and he might like the idea of providing that leadership, guiding the younger QBs, and showcasing his skills for a high draft pick in the NFL.

All in all... and as I aforementioned... I think they're both legit QBs. I think they are stronger and weaker in different areas, but when we start to alternate them in the games, it'll make things very difficult for the defense. I'm just excited for 2014 and on.
 
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I was at the game in Tuscaloosa and saw Ferguson in a walking boot after the game. Dobbs got the nod because other 3 QBs were injured. Ferguson will prob RS and challenge Dobbs for the job in the spring. Dobbs is getting valuable reps in the meantime.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
Click the link, brother. He posted the list of Elite 11 invitees. It's fine that you think RF is better, but you're not making it look like a very informed opinion with comments like that.
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Hey Brother...I did check the site and he was there. I watched the elite 11 on espn and never heard a word from Gruden about Dobbs. I did remember a couple of comments about Ferguson's upside before he injured his hand. He tried to play through it...but simply couldn't push through the pain. I CAN form the "informed" opinion that both are better than Worley though.
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
Let's see what random thoughts I've had after reading through this:

1) The contractor/brick question. diehard had a good answer for it, but to caveat, we might not actually be laying the bricks right now. Rather, clearing up all the rubble from the previous shattered attempts at building a foundation (hence Year 0), so we can start on a clean slate with Butch's style of players and system come 2014. To correlate, this could be indicative of why he burned Dobbs' redshirt and is saving Ferg.

2) What's the deal with Tennessee QBs and breaking their thumbs?

3) I think Ferg and Dobbs are legit, and both will see lots of playing timee next year. Personally, I think Dobbs' redshirt was pulled because he's a smart kid pursuing an aerospace engineering degree (and thinking about a future outside of football), and will mostly likely NOT leave early for the pros til he gets his degree, meaning more time in school and more time in uniform. Similarly, this will mean that Dobbs can play through the 2016 season, but Ferg will still be eligible to be the starting 5th year senior QB in 2017, and he might like the idea of providing that leadership, guiding the younger QBs, and showcasing his skills for a high draft pick in the NFL.

All in all... and as I aforementioned... I think they're both legit QBs. I think they are stronger and weaker in different areas, but when we start to alternate them in the games, it'll make things very difficult for the defense. I'm just excited for 2014 and on.
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Unfortunately...Ferguson will not wait and play second fiddle for four years only to be a one year starter. Once the battle between those is decided, the other will transfer out. That's just the nature of high profile QB's. They're not going to sit for long.
 
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perico said:
Happens every time. When something goes one way, one group always gets upset- usually having some ties or interest in that particular player.

Remember the BJ Coleman hype? I worked with a guy who still swears to this day that Coleman was screwed by our coaches and really was the long term answer for the Vols at QB.

A lot of times, we get the "I saw this kid play against ____ high school last weekend. He is going to be a star/stud." In other words, the kid from your neck of the woods is always going to be a real beast.

We see it with recruits. Bo Wallace was "the greatest miss in UT history." Now Wallace has gone on to have a nice college career down in Oxford, but he's not the next Peyton Manning as people proclaimed him to be. Charlie High was going to come in and be the long term answer at QB. Good kid, but he's where he needs to be now.
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Bj Coleman took utc to their best record in 50 years and is still on a roster as a NFL QB...
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Bj Coleman took utc to their best record in 50 years and is still on a roster as a NFL QB...
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No he's not. He got cut and is currently not on a roster or practice squad for any NFL team.

Packers cut B.J. Coleman, Aaron Rodgers currently has no backup | ProFootballTalk

I'm not saying he was a bad QB, but he wasn't going to save UT's program. Being a winning QB at UTC does not = SEC QB.

He was a good QB at UTC, but not all world. In fact, Robinson won half the games as QB Coleman's SR year.
 
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Earlier this year, everyone wanted Peterman. Coach apparently finally gave in and started him, and he had a lot to do with losing the Fla. game for us. I think it is time to let the coaches to determine who is best to start. Isn't that what they are being paid for?
 
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TnAngler said:
I have nothing to gain or lose with with Ferguson or Dobbs playing. How ever it gets old when someones favorite does not get the nod and then they start making excuses and saying that Ferguson is better than Dobbs...

Since CBJ likes using the Brick by Brick analogy, let me ask the contractors out here a question. When building a house or building, do you put a lesser quality brick at the foundation of the project and keep the better bricks for once the project is complete, or do you use your best bricks at the foundation to help support the remainder of the building? My point being if Ferguson is such the super star and way better than Dobbs, why has he not been used. All this garbage about being hurt is nonsense, even CBJ said this. In his presser he said that Ferguson was ok and if the coaches had wanted to they could have went with him instead.

Seems that if CBJ is building his foundation for the future, he would use his best players (bricks) and that is what he has done. Worley was an old brick that has broken and is being replaced with a better more stronger one, the best one.
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Seems that way,yet until Saturday the QB bricks have been Worley and Peterman......Now that we have seen Dobbs, and it is pretty evident he is better than both Worley or Peterman, and the fact that Butch left Worley in even after he was injured and let him keep playing after it was clear he was hurt and couldn't grip the ball,it is pretty clear Butch may have had other ideas rather than using the best bricks he had.As it took Worley sustaining what may be a pretty serious injury before he would even consider burning one of those precious redshirts.
 
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TVOL71 said:
Earlier this year, everyone wanted Peterman. Coach apparently finally gave in and started him, and he had a lot to do with losing the Fla. game for us. I think it is time to let the coaches to determine who is best to start. Isn't that what they are being paid for?
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If You Really Think He Started Peterman Because Of The Fans, Why Would You Want To Leave It To Him Now?

And Before Anyone Says Something About The Caps, To Bad It Is Droid, Google And Freaks Fault :)
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
Let's see what random thoughts I've had after reading through this:

1) The contractor/brick question. diehard had a good answer for it, but to caveat, we might not actually be laying the bricks right now. Rather, clearing up all the rubble from the previous shattered attempts at building a foundation (hence Year 0), so we can start on a clean slate with Butch's style of players and system come 2014. To correlate, this could be indicative of why he burned Dobbs' redshirt and is saving Ferg.

2) What's the deal with Tennessee QBs and breaking their thumbs?

3) I think Ferg and Dobbs are legit, and both will see lots of playing time next year. Personally, I think Dobbs' redshirt was pulled because he's a smart kid pursuing an aerospace engineering degree (and thinking about a future outside of football), and will mostly likely NOT leave early for the pros til he gets his degree, meaning more time in school and more time in uniform. Similarly, this will mean that Dobbs can play through the 2016 season, but Ferg will still be eligible to be the starting 5th year senior QB in 2017, and he might like the idea of providing that leadership, guiding the younger QBs, and showcasing his skills for a high draft pick in the NFL.

All in all... and as I aforementioned... I think they're both legit QBs. I think they are stronger and weaker in different areas, but when we start to alternate them in the games, it'll make things very difficult for the defense. I'm just excited for 2014 and on.
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+1000........your thoughts are thoughts of intelligence
 
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Volleycat said:
I was at the game in Tuscaloosa and saw Ferguson in a walking boot after the game. Dobbs got the nod because other 3 QBs were injured. Ferguson will prob RS and challenge Dobbs for the job in the spring. Dobbs is getting valuable reps in the meantime.
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Well, since you were at the game and all, that settles it. Is the QB by default. Guess CBJ lied when he said it was a coaching decision to put in Dobbs instead of Fergy.
 
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Why are people so sure Ferguson can beat out Dobbs for the starting job next year? Especially if Dobbs starts for the rest of the season.
 
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perico said:
No he's not. He got cut and is currently not on a roster or practice squad for any NFL team.

Packers cut B.J. Coleman, Aaron Rodgers currently has no backup | ProFootballTalk

I'm not saying he was a bad QB, but he wasn't going to save UT's program. Being a winning QB at UTC does not = SEC QB.

He was a good QB at UTC, but not all world. In fact, Robinson won half the games as QB Coleman's SR year.
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The only reason he was at UT was because of Cut. Had Cut stayed and been OC, Coleman would have been a stud.
 
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Volleycat said:
I was at the game in Tuscaloosa and saw Ferguson in a walking boot after the game. Dobbs got the nod because other 3 QBs were injured. Ferguson will prob RS and challenge Dobbs for the job in the spring. Dobbs is getting valuable reps in the meantime.
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If we win out with Dobbs, he will be our starter next season no matter what.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Well, since you were at the game and all, that settles it. Is the QB by default. Guess CBJ lied when he said it was a coaching decision to put in Dobbs instead of Fergy.
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I guess CBJ wasn't lying when he also stated Worley could have finished the game when he couldn't even grip the football.
 
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