FGF says that SC is holding a 10 AM press conference to fire Muschamp

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Spurrier showed that SCar can be a good job. Holtz even had them playing much better football. For a time both showed you can recruit there. They're not totally devoid of talent by any means. I'd like to beat Muschump 6 or 7 more times though, that snarky turd.
 
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Vol737 said:
Spurrier showed that SCar can be a good job. Holtz even had them playing much better football. For a time both showed you can recruit there. They're not totally devoid of talent by any means. I'd like to beat Muschump 6 or 7 more times though, that snarky turd.
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It is a significantly less attractive job now because of Clemson. Different conference, but you have to play them every year (which looks like an automatic L for the foreseeable future) and you have to recruit against them.

I'd be hesitant in drawing too strong of a causation, but Dabo started going next level at Clemson in 2015. Spurrier also retired during the 2015 season. Was Spurrier leaving his in-state rival the final piece of the puzzle Dabo needed to stop "Clemsoning?" I dunno, but the correlation is interesting. South Carolina had undoubtedly started slipping prior to Spurrier's retirement though.
 
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Vol737 said:
Spurrier showed that SCar can be a good job. Holtz even had them playing much better football. For a time both showed you can recruit there. They're not totally devoid of talent by any means. I'd like to beat Muschump 6 or 7 more times though, that snarky turd.
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Its not the easiest place to recruit a coach, especially now that Clemson is rolling and on the schedule every year. Spurrier ruined them really.

Im not saying Muschamp is good by any means but Im not sure where they go to get obviously better and it not jump at a good job as soon as it opens. Spurrier was perfect at the time. Its rare to land those at a place like that, much less twice.
 
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Columbia SC is an effing ugly city. Half the roads thru there are massive, feels like you are walking across an interstate half the time. And unless it's their big trees, which are nice, they don't have any real street presence.

I have said since 2008 they have the expectations of Bama but the trophy case of Vandy.
 
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05_never_again said:
It is a significantly less attractive job now because of Clemson. Different conference, but you have to play them every year (which looks like an automatic L for the foreseeable future) and you have to recruit against them.

I'd be hesitant in drawing too strong of a causation, but Dabo started going next level at Clemson in 2015. Spurrier also retired during the 2015 season. Was Spurrier leaving his in-state rival the final piece of the puzzle Dabo needed to stop "Clemsoning?" I dunno, but the correlation is interesting. South Carolina had undoubtedly started slipping prior to Spurrier's retirement though.
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It is also interesting that Clemson ended the SCar 5-peat in 2014, Spurrier's last full season there. That also started the current Clemson 5-peat in that series that will likely be 6 on November 30.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That information was taken from World Population Review and I notice that you didn't dispute any of it. What you are saying is, that it is a small town in the middle of nowhere... but it is a nice, small town in the middle of nowhere.
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Clemson is close enough to Greenville SC to not feel small town. We drive 50+ miles every six weeks or so from NC to load up at either the Greenville or Spartanburg Costco (hint: Greenville Costco sells booze.) We in Asheville are deeply frosted that the GSP area gets two dang Costco’s, while we have zero, despite having a ton of well-off retirees in the greater AVL-Hendersonville-etc area. Pretty good airline service out of GSP. Lots of serious shopping, dining, and music opportunities in G’ville for Clemson students.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
I'm obviously not Dabo, but I did sleep at my house in the SC Low Country last night.

Clemson - #3 in the Tuesday playoff rankings. I don't see them losing to Wake, the bye week, SC, or the ACC Coastal winner.

They very well could win it all again this year, regardless of who they play. OSU probably matches them better than LSU or any 1-loss team.
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Hard to top the Low Country IMO. Got engaged and then married in Charleston a few years ago. So it’s definitely one of my favorite places.

I agree that Clemson will be #3 and could definitely win it again. Clemson is the one certainty in all of the playoff discussion. I expect them to either play in the title game or have a FSU like fall in the Final 4 game. Much more likely they’ll be in the title game.

I actually think this years CFP will be the most competitive yet, no matter who the 4 teams are.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Things change. The situation is fluid. We are just grateful for information. MIT Beaver is legit. He got my grandma tickets. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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Jeepkuntry said:
SC has unrealistic expectations. A few good years from Spurriers time and they think they will forever be a 10 win team. I don't see them hiring a better coach than Muschamp.
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To be honest, Spurrier wasnt that great there. Certainly not up to the expectations.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
UF fired Muschamp following a home overtime loss to South Carolina.

In typical Muschamp fashion, UF couldn’t hold on to a 7-point lead in regulation, allowing SC to score a late TD forcing overtime.

South Carolina was so impressed by all this they hired Muschamp.
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Chickens have never been noted for their intelligence.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
UF fired Muschamp following a home overtime loss to South Carolina.

In typical Muschamp fashion, UF couldn’t hold on to a 7-point lead in regulation, allowing SC to score a late TD forcing overtime.

South Carolina was so impressed by all this they hired Muschamp.
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Laughed
 
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05_never_again said:
Clemson's facilities also blow South Carolina's out of the water.

You ever been to Williams-Brice? Nice stadium, but it isn't as nice as some others, and it's located away from the city/campus in the middle of what looks like an old industrial site. It isn't the greatest setting in the world for a big time college football game, especially relative to other places in the SEC or Clemson.

Also, South Carolina is basically void of any football success or history before Spurrier got there. Clemson at least did have a title in the 80s and has consistently fielded competitive teams over the years before Dabo took them to another level. Clemson's "brand" has always been better than South Carolina's.
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It’s more like a rail yard then anything else. It’s not to terribly far from fraternity row etc. They used to have “cock dens” set in the old Cabooses there that were left over the years. Based on either donations or a substantial fee you could pregame in style and shuttle to the stadium. It’s not a bad stadium for a game. I’ve never had a bad seat there the only thing I wish they’d find a replacement for is the rooster crow. People think Rocky Top is annoying imagine that for 4 quarters.

**The last time I saw the rail cars they were not maintained and grass was taking over**
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
To be honest, Spurrier wasnt that great there. Certainly not up to the expectations.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about. South Carolina had 3 straight top 10 finishes with 11-2 records from 2011-2013. I didn't think that was possible there. They did have a close, heartbreaking loss in each of those seasons that kept them from a major bowl game, though. In 2011, they lost at home to Auburn 16-13 (Auburn was not that good in '11). In 2012, they lost at LSU 23-21 and the worst of all (ha ha!) was losing at Tennessee 23-21 in 2013. That loss cost them everything - SEC East, and a shot at the SEC and possibly even a shot at the National Championship if they had won the SEC CG.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
To be honest, Spurrier wasnt that great there. Certainly not up to the expectations.
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Do what? What expectations are you talking about? He's only the best coach they've ever had. He's responsible for 9 of their 23 bowl appearances, their only SEC East Division win, highest ending ranking ever, and had 3 straight 11 win seasons. He's the glaring exception in SC's football history.

They should name the stadium or field or something after him.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not sure what you are talking about. South Carolina had 3 straight top 10 finishes with 11-2 records from 2011-2013. I didn't think that was possible there. They did have a close, heartbreaking loss in each of those seasons that kept them from a major bowl game, though. In 2011, they lost at home to Auburn 16-13 (Auburn was not that good in '11). In 2012, they lost at LSU 23-21 and the worst of all (ha ha!) was losing at Tennessee 23-21 in 2013. That loss cost them everything - SEC East, and a shot at the SEC and possibly even a shot at the National Championship if they had won the SEC CG.
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Not to mention this was post Redskins Spurrier, that many thought was probably washed up and looking to coast to a retirement check. What he did at SC is pretty remarkable in hindsight.
 
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Clemson big concern is going to be how they react when someone knocks the hell out of them and doesn’t blink. It’s been awhile since Clemson has played big boy football
 
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