Final 2014 Coaches and AP Polls

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Last Coaches poll and AP poll of the BCS era.


First the coaches poll:

USA Today | Sports | NCAAF

RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida State (59) 14-0 1475
2 Auburn 12-2 1388
3 Michigan State 13-1 1375
4 South Carolina 11-2 1219
5 Missouri 12-2 1200
6 Oklahoma 11-2 1189
7 Clemson 11-2 1091
8 Alabama 11-2 1086
9 Oregon 11-2 975
10 Ohio State 12-2 872
10 Stanford 11-3 872
12 UCF 12-1 865
13 Baylor 11-2 796
14 LSU 10-3 719
15 Louisville 12-1 703
16 UCLA 10-3 597
17 Oklahoma State 10-3 587
18 Texas A&M 9-4 443
19 USC 10-4 313
20 Arizona State 10-4 302
21 Wisconsin 9-4 266
22 Duke 10-4 202
23 Vanderbilt 9-4 180
24 Notre Dame 9-4 125
25 Nebraska 9-4 123

Others receiving votes: Washington 67, Fresno State 54, Northern Illinois 21, Marshall 17, Texas Tech 13, Kansas State 11, Ole Miss 7, Texas 4, Miami (FL) 4, Cincinnati 3, East Carolina 3, Arizona 2, North Texas 2, Utah State 2, Navy 1, Louisiana-Lafayette 1
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Next, the AP poll:

2013 NCAA College Football Polls and Rankings for Week 1 - ESPN

RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida State (60) 14-0 1500
2 Auburn 12-2 1428
3 Michigan State 13-1 1385
4 South Carolina 11-2 1247
5 Missouri 12-2 1236
6 Oklahoma 11-2 1205
7 Alabama 11-2 1114
8 Clemson 11-2 1078
9 Oregon 11-2 974
10 UCF 12-1 959
11 Stanford 11-3 936
12 Ohio State 12-2 816
13 Baylor 11-2 778
14 LSU 10-3 717
15 Louisville 12-1 693
16 UCLA 10-3 632
17 Oklahoma State 10-3 598
18 Texas A&M 9-4 459
19 USC 10-4 299
20 Notre Dame 9-4 256
21 Arizona State 10-4 255
22 Wisconsin 9-4 245
23 Duke 10-4 190
24 Vanderbilt 9-4 117
25 Washington 9-4 109

Others receiving votes: Nebraska 107, Fresno State 57, Northern Illinois 22, North Dakota State 17, Texas Tech 14, Georgia 13, Iowa 13, Ole Miss 10, Kansas State 8, Arizona 5, Navy 3, Utah State 2, East Carolina 2, Mississippi State 1
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3 things:

1) 3 SEC teams in the top 5 ( 2 - Auburn, 4 - South Carolina, 5- Missouri); 4 overall in the top 10. Highest Auburn's ended a season ranked since 2010-2011, highest Missouri's ended a season ranked since 2007-2008 (they were #4), and might possibly be South Carolina's highest final ranking ever.

2) I'm glad to see both bowls chose to let Duke finish the year ranked after how their season ended (and how the chick-fil-a bowl went); they likely deserve it on the year this season.

3) I'm glad to see UCF's win (plus the other losses) vaulted them into the final top 10 in at least one poll. I feel they deserved it for this season, especially considering the bowl game and their one loss. (Unfortunately, this program's also getting left with the also-rans now.)
 
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This is SC's highest final ranking ever, breaking last year's record ranking of 8/7.
 
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salutethehill said:
This is SC's highest final ranking ever, breaking last year's record ranking of 8/7.
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They are too high at #4. They can be excused for the UGA loss since that was a totally different team than the one that limped to 7-6. But the loss to Tennessee should stick them behind several of the schools they are ahead of.
 
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bamawriter said:
They are too high at #4. They can be excused for the UGA loss since that was a totally different team than the one that limped to 7-6. But the loss to Tennessee should stick them behind several of the schools they are ahead of.
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The human polls have always been short term memory though. They never seem to remember past scores in their rankings unless they're the kind of blowouts that stick out like a sore thumb (like UGA losing 35-14 in 2007).


Otherwise they just seem to go "who won this week," "who lost," and if it's close between two teams in a conference "oh hey, didn't this team beat that team that one game?"
 
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TrueOrange said:
The human polls have always been short term memory though. They never seem to remember past scores in their rankings unless they're the kind of blowouts that stick out like a sore thumb (like UGA losing 35-14 in 2007).


Otherwise they just seem to go "who won this week," "who lost," and if it's close between two teams in a conference "oh hey, didn't this team beat that team that one game?"
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That's exactly what it is. The pollsters look at at the previous week and move teams up and down according to wins and losses. Who lost to whom rarely plays into it. That's how Louisville stayed above UCF for a few weeks after UCF beat them.

This is why preseason polls are ridiculous.
 
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As the Chief #1 Georgia Hater it warms my heart to see no mention of UGA, or BullDogs (or even BullDawgs) at all anywhere in that poll.

#FireMarkRicht is alive and well, the natives are restless in Athens and I, for one, LOVE IT
 
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Brianchevy said:
As the Chief #1 Georgia Hater it warms my heart to see no mention of UGA, or BullDogs (or even BullDawgs) at all anywhere in that poll.

#FireMarkRicht is alive and well, the natives are restless in Athens and I, for one, LOVE IT
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If I were them, I'd let him go. He's been there a long time, and now is as good a time as any to pull the plug.

This year wasn't Richt's fault. But it's convenient.
 
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I'm kind of in debate about the Auburn and Michigan State rankings.


On the one hand, I understand why they all left Auburn at #2, because it was a close game and a close loss.


On the other hand though, considering how these things have been done in the past and during the season, they'd almost never keep a team at number 2 after a loss - no matter how close - especially if there was a team with less losses behind them. Any other time if a team with one loss won and the two teams above it lost that week and now had two losses, the one loss team would jump over both of them.


(Addendum: I also don't think Auburn should fall anywhere below say the 3rd spot at all; this wasn't a blowout loss.)
 
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bamawriter said:
That's exactly what it is. The pollsters look at at the previous week and move teams up and down according to wins and losses. Who lost to whom rarely plays into it. That's how Louisville stayed above UCF for a few weeks after UCF beat them.

This is why preseason polls are ridiculous.
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I understand. I think the human polls are terribly flawed and are a major part of what have made / makes the college football FBS championship system so flawed.

A team's preseason ranking can heavily determine what they are eligible for that season, whereas it can make it a ridiculously difficult struggle upwards for a team that might be surprisingly good that year.

They also, as much as people like the ideas of the "eye test" or human element, add an error of bias: pollsters are just more likely to give a higher ranking (or a greater push when there's indecisiveness) to the schools they're familiar seeing there in the polls, especially the be the ones that have the history of past championships. Some of the cases of the less regular schools have pretty much shown that if you're not one of those more teams, you have to pretty much string together 3-5 years of consistent high success to even warrant consideration as more than a fluke. And if you don't have that reputation, the penalty for a loss is treated even heavier by the voters.


Plus, building on what you mentioned, there's the hypocrisy of they rarely keep up with who lost to who, yet at the same time the fact that a team lost that week is a bigger detriment itself. The loss number, without consideration of who or situation, gets treated as more important, and it becomes terribly evident following the conference championship week, where an extra game pushes it sometimes even behind teams that didn't even play that week.

A team that might have an extra loss because it played an extra game gets treated almost exactly the same as those on bye just based off that loss number alone... one that came from an extra game most others didn't even earn the chance to play. (This may be the area, actually, where a view of the number of wins being more important/outweighing losses should be used.)








But every fan wants to see their team put in some ordered list in comparison to the others, so it's really never going to go away. Plus it'd be clicks that the AP and all the other sports sites would lose each week during the season.
 
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golfballs said:
NDSU getting votes in the AP poll. That's legit.
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That's a result of that rule change following the Appalachian State upset of Michigan in 2007. The AP told the voters they could vote for an FCS team if they felt one was worth receiving votes in the FBS rankings (makes little sense personally and feels more like a covering just in case on their part).
 
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TrueOrange said:
That's a result of that rule change following the Appalachian State upset of Michigan in 2007. The AP told the voters they could vote for an FCS team if they felt one was worth receiving votes in the FBS rankings (makes little sense personally and feels more like a covering just in case on their part).
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If it's truly a ranking of the best teams in the country, then they should be included.
 
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golfballs said:
If it's truly a ranking of the best teams in the country, then they should be included.
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I think the AP also does a top 25 of just FCS teams…I could see doing like a collaboration of the two at the end of the year, but it doesn't make much sense for the polls during the season, especially since they're pretty much used for setting up FBS postseason and championships.


(I mean I guess if you have an FCS team make it into the top 4 it might be worth doing…but the numbers, wins and losses, and years of consistency required for them to get the push/reputation they needed would be nuts.)
 
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Too bad USC's #4 ranking won't count against our "No top 10 wins since 1907" crap they show before every game against ranked teams.

Oh yeah... That win is impressive as hell. Butch and co pulled that out of their asses. Amazing.
 
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bamawriter said:
They are too high at #4. They can be excused for the UGA loss since that was a totally different team than the one that limped to 7-6. But the loss to Tennessee should stick them behind several of the schools they are ahead of.
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We beat No. 5, 8, and 10 plus beat 7 bowl teams including 5 bowl champions. Just saying...
 
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