First Daniel Orton NBA outing "a disaster"

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This casts a dark shadow on the greatest day in the history of UK basketball.
 
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Wow....I'm still shocked he not only declared for the draft, but was actually taken in the first round....

Anyone else think the NBA's 1 yr outta HS rule before being eligible for the draft is useless?
 
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This kid right here is the reason I knew that Hopson would have been drafted by his 2nd year, if he was at UK. If this kid can go in the 1st round, Hopson would already have been drafted, especially with all the UKonnections.
 
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This kid right here is the reason I knew that Hopson would have been drafted by his 2nd year, if he was at UK. If this kid can go in the 1st round, Hopson would already have been drafted, especially with all the UKonnections.

I think if Orton had stayed and played a lot of minutes next season his game would have matured warranting being a 1st round pick. He's got the natural talent but played so sparingly this past season he wasn't able to develop it. In fact, he might have actually regressed a little bit.

Orlando's patience will be tested by Orton over the next few seasons....
 
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I think if Orton had stayed and played a lot of minutes next season his game would have matured warranting being a 1st round pick. He's got the natural talent but played so sparingly this past season he wasn't able to develop it. In fact, he might have actually regressed a little bit.

Orlando's patience will be tested by Orton over the next few seasons....

This is very true. When Stern read Orlando's pick, I was like
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Wow....I'm still shocked he not only declared for the draft, but was actually taken in the first round....

Anyone else think the NBA's 1 yr outta HS rule before being eligible for the draft is useless?

I used to think it was needed but after giving it some time I realize it helps neither the player or college basketball. There aren't many players out there suited to the NBA game out of high school. If there was no one year rule sure many who weren't really ready would declare right away but after seeing the first initial wave of failures the ones following would be more apt to go to college and refine their skills.

All these kids going one and done are doing nothing more than wasting a perfectly good scholarship that someone else wants and could use.
 
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I've never once seen anyone not on the Association's payroll speak well of the 19 y/o rule. It's bad for college basketball, it's bad for a number of kids who ARE suited for the NBA (or at least D League) out of high school and it's starting to prove to be bad for the NBA draft.

There is absolutely no redeeming quality about it.
 
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I used to think it was needed but after giving it some time I realize it helps neither the player or college basketball. There aren't many players out there suited to the NBA game out of high school. If there was no one year rule sure many who weren't really ready would declare right away but after seeing the first initial wave of failures the ones following would be more apt to go to college and refine their skills.

All these kids going one and done are doing nothing more than wasting a perfectly good scholarship that someone else wants and could use.

I'm a baseball guy, and I really like the way the baseball draft/rules are set up. I think basketball should take a look at the way MLB and the NFL does things and restructure their system completely.

Here is how I could see it working.....(cue clouds and music for TV 'day-dream sequence')

The NBA would declare that players are eligible to be drafted out of high school if they go through certain hoops (the hoops are designed to weed out the ones that aren't quite ready). Otherwise, that leaves college or overseas.
If the player goes overseas, they must play 2 seasons before being eligible for the NBA; however, teams in the lottery will be penalized for selecting an American who skipped college to play overseas in the lottery selection (penalties discussed a little later).
That leaves college....here is where the baseball player in me comes out:
If the player goes to a JUCO, he may be drafted after each season he is at said junior college. If the player goes to a 4 year school, he must wait until AFTER his 2nd season (although it's 3rd season in baseball) to be eligible for the draft.

The penalties in the draft will be based on MLB's Type A and Type B free agent compensation:
The top X% of each position will be labeled Type A and the following X% will be labeled Type B. If a team signs a Type A free agent (let us say LeBron for example), their first round pick automatically goes to the team the Type A was previously on. If the team does not have a 1st round pick to give away, they will give away their first pick after that (round 2).
If a team gives away their 1st round pick for signing a free agent, they will then be given a sandwich round pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds.

On to type B....
If a team signs a Type B FA, they will give away their 2nd pick, regardless of where it is in the draft, and will receive a compensation pick AFTER the 2nd round.

Penalty for selecting a 1st yr eligible American playing overseas in the Lottery: said team's remaining picks in the draft will be pushed to the end of the round they are in. If a team has a lottery pick and the 17th overall pick thru a trade, the 17th pick now goes to the end of round 1. If they have picks in round 2, they are now at the end of the round. Picks they receive for compensation of losing Type A or B FA will be pushed to the end of whatever round they are in (1st, 2nd, or compensation).
It's all a little confusing, but it's a start, hahah.

That's my pipe dream to fix the NBA draft....
 
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This kid right here is the reason I knew that Hopson would have been drafted by his 2nd year, if he was at UK. If this kid can go in the 1st round, Hopson would already have been drafted, especially with all the UKonnections.

Exactly. Orton, Patterson, and Bledsoe all went too high just because of the hype of the team they played on. Orton in the first round was ridiculous.
 
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Exactly. Orton, Patterson, and Bledsoe all went too high just because of the hype of the team they played on. Orton in the first round was ridiculous.

I don't think Bledsoe and Patterson went too high. I believe they will have solid careers, and will contribute right away. Patterson has developed a good mid-range to 3-pt shot. I also believe if not playing second fiddle to Wall, Bledsoe would have had a huge season.
But I do agree with the Orton assessment, hands down.
 
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This kid right here is the reason I knew that Hopson would have been drafted by his 2nd year, if he was at UK. If this kid can go in the 1st round, Hopson would already have been drafted, especially with all the UKonnections.

Yea, the NBA jumps on any player that had Kentucky across their chest, even if they can't play. Hopson would be up there with Kobie as the best in the league if he had just gone to KY.:blink:
 
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I don't think Bledsoe and Patterson went too high. I believe they will have solid careers, and will contribute right away. Patterson has developed a good mid-range to 3-pt shot. I also believe if not playing second fiddle to Wall, Bledsoe would have had a huge season.
But I do agree with the Orton assessment, hands down.

this for sure. DO shoulda gone to class so that he could have come back to UK as an option.
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I don't think Bledsoe and Patterson went too high.

I'm not a draft analyst by any stretch, but Bledsoe surprises me. He is either an undersized 2 or a guy who has to learn how to be a point. 18 seems high to me.


this for sure. DO shoulda gone to class so that he could have come back to UK as an option.
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It is hard to argue that a guy who went in the first round played things poorly. He was drafted on potential, and having a poor first outing doesn't change that.
 
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I'm not a draft analyst by any stretch, but Bledsoe surprises me. He is either an undersized 2 or a guy who has to learn how to be a point. 18 seems high to me.

Bledsoe was the #2 PG in the nation behind only Wall. He is a PG that was playing out of position at UK. I thought he might have gone even a little higher....
 

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