First Year for Coaches

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People will say it's because of talent. Some have said we don't have the right personnel to fit our "scheme". There is truth to that, but it takes less time to find out how good our coaching staff can be.

I was not concerned about the W/L as much as I wanted to be. I was concerned about our team's progression and coaching decisions.

So far, I am not impressed by our play calling. I'm still trying to figure out why they keep calling the "Tossed Reversed to Pig Howard" play in EVERY GAME! You know, the one that we always lose at least 3 yards on?

I feel like we are afraid of trying things new. I really hope these coaches are not set on just one certain scheme/mindset/style, etc...
 
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We are not near the level of (most) of our competition...

We are not coached very well...

We are not prepared for most games...

We are in the midst of another losing season...

Other than that?
 
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I wouldn't say "scheme" I would say "talent" Theres 2 players on our defense that would see playing time at bama, lsu, uf. The only way we get better is to flush the system by recruiting better talent.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
I wouldn't say "scheme" I would say "talent" Theres 2 players on our defense that would see playing time at bama, lsu, uf. The only way we get better is to flush the system by recruiting better talent.
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agreed 100%.
I have been saying we need to flush this entire team for weeks now.

Funny you used the phrase flush as well.
Great minds think alike.

these kids are not sec caliber.
we need an entirely new talent base.

it will take time, but it will happen.
 
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We aren't very good and don't currently have the same level of talent as the top teams in football. This severely limits what CBJ can call and have a reasonable expectation of success. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
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volmanbill said:
We aren't very good and don't currently have the same level of talent as the top teams in football. This severely limits what CBJ can call and have a reasonable expectation of success. Why is this so hard to understand?
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Because we can win with these players on xbox.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
I wouldn't say "scheme" I would say "talent" Theres 2 players on our defense that would see playing time at bama, lsu, uf. The only way we get better is to flush the system by recruiting better talent.
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Nobody on our D would ever see a second of playing time at Bama or LSU. Sutton is good, but not that good.
 
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I was at the game today and the defense appeared to be a step behind most of the day. I would think as we get more speed we will be in better position to do what is needed. The passing game is very young, as they play in the system we get better. I feel in time as Butch gets players to fit his scheme we will field a competitive team. He needs two more years and we should be back where we belong. Be patient Ladies and Gents. Go VOLS!!!!!

Remember we have played one of the toughest schedules in the nation. We are seeing what good teams look like and what they are capable of.
 
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The problem isn't scheme. It isn't even playcalling. It is execution and attitude. Bad angles on every single play. Bad attitudes because a few players were consistently sand bagging in crucial moments. I love Thigpen because he is a one man wrecking crew on the recruiting trail, but he has GOT to get through to these linebackers on how to properly take on a block. Jancek and Martinez have GOT to ride these safeties hard about their reads and reaction.
 
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volmanbill said:
We aren't very good and don't currently have the same level of talent as the top teams in football. This severely limits what CBJ can call and have a reasonable expectation of success. Why is this so hard to understand?
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It'd be easier if you folks advocating patience can tell us what is your cutoff point for 30-40 point blowouts being acceptable. Even easier, when is it permissible to be objective and expect any measures of improvement?
 
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Let's take Mizzou for example regarding the difference of a scheme/talent wise.

As far as talent, I believe that our players are on same level but I believe the key difference was the O.C and play calling.

David Yost "resigned" in Dec. 2012.

Their current O.C was promoted up.

They sure do look like a different team to me.
 
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NCFisher said:
It'd be easier if you folks advocating patience can tell us what is your cutoff point for 30-40 point blowouts being acceptable. Even easier, when is it permissible to be objective and expect any measures of improvement?
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The past 3 years are not Butch Jones' fault. That should not be used against him. Dooley had probably 10 blowout losses before we decided to move on. In fact, I could make a damn good argument that Butch Jones would have won 8 games last year because he beat the 11th ranked team in his 7th game with less talent, especially on offense. This is why people have to be patient. You cannot use the Dooley era against him, and our leadership decided to hire a new coach. Why is this difficult to understand? Also, Butch has done more in 10 months (recruiting, excitement, atmosphere, former players, etc.) than what has been done in the previous 5 years. People need to get a life and be realistic.
 
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I am just angry because I was sure this team that won five games last year, has a brand new coaching staff, playing the hardest schedule in the country, returning the worst defense in schools history, after losing all of its offensive fire power from the year before, and is starting a freshman QB would compete with top 10 teams. I mean I just don't get why we are getting stomped by top ten teams. Anyone like to explain ?
 
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VolGee4 said:
The past 3 years are not Butch Jones' fault. That should not be used against him. Dooley had probably 10 blowout losses before we decided to move on. In fact, I could make a damn good argument that Butch Jones would have won 8 games last year because he beat the 11th ranked team in his 7th game with less talent, especially on offense. This is why people have to be patient. You cannot use the Dooley era against him, and our leadership decided to hire a new coach. Why is this difficult to understand? Also, Butch has done more in 10 months (recruiting, excitement, atmosphere, former players, etc.) than what has been done in the previous 5 years. People need to get a life and be realistic.
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We shouldn't be using the Dooley era against him, but we also shouldn't necessarily be using the Dooley era to set the bar. That's an awfully low bar.

I do however, think that it is fair to use the Dooley years as a measure for this first year. Less talent, harder schedule, same or better record? Looks like improvement to me. I expect a big jump in year 2/3.
 
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VolGee4 said:
The past 3 years are not Butch Jones' fault. That should not be used against him. Dooley had probably 10 blowout losses before we decided to move on. In fact, I could make a damn good argument that Butch Jones would have won 8 games last year because he beat the 11th ranked team in his 7th game with less talent, especially on offense. This is why people have to be patient. You cannot use the Dooley era against him, and our leadership decided to hire a new coach. Why is this difficult to understand? Also, Butch has done more in 10 months (recruiting, excitement, atmosphere, former players, etc.) than what has been done in the previous 5 years. People need to get a life and be realistic.
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I was speaking strictly of this year, not 3 or 8 prior. Excitement, atmosphere, former players don't generate a single point. Neither do great recruits, in and of themselves. Having no sense of performance metrics is how we're into 7 years or so of mediocrity.

Again, the simple question is when are 30-40 points blowouts under Butch Jone not acceptable? Take the low hanging fruit; when should we expect any evidence of improvement? An ethereal it happens when it does...or doesn't?
 
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See OP you stated it is not talent, but these posts clearly show that it is. This is the reality that so many of our Fans refuse to believe.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I do however, think that it is fair to use the Dooley years as a measure for this first year. Less talent, harder schedule, same or better record? Looks like improvement to me. I expect a big jump in year 2/3.
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Simple win loss does not convey an appreciation for the absolute pastings of 2013. The team may be worse than the OR opener, certainly no improvement is discernible.
 
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volmanbill said:
We aren't very good and don't currently have the same level of talent as the top teams in football. This severely limits what CBJ can call and have a reasonable expectation of success. Why is this so hard to understand?
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I concur with your assessment sir. We are speed and talent depleted. Recruit Butch, Recruit.
 
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