Fleser: Is it adversity or pressure for Lady Vols?

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"I think as a coach," she said, "when you're losing games you have a tendency to want to question yourself. I'm not going to do that. I've been doing this all my life. You're not always going to be on top. Sometimes you go through some adversity. That's what we're doing right now.

"One year doesn't make me a bad coach. My concern is not whether people believe in me. It's the kids."

...Warlick believes that the Lady Vols' offensive woes are weighing on the players' minds and thus affecting their play. Guard Diamond DeShields essentially agrees.

"There's a lot of pressure on us to perform, to be this great Tennessee team that we know we can be," she said Tuesday night during the "Lady Vols Illustrated" radio show. "But the pressure is there and I think because of that we do second guess what we're doing and think too much."

Is it adversity or pressure for Lady Vols?
 
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Interesting article. Players have to understand that when they go to a major program...especially one with the Lady Vol history...there is going to be pressure.

But the adversity seems mainly self-inflicted.

Here's an AP article posted in New York Times. Mostly familiar Warlick quotes from past few days, but some analysis from GG. Since her name has been mentioned by several as a future candidate, thought it might be interesting to see her take.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...kw-t25-tennessee-dynasty-in-decline.html?_r=0

The title...Tennessee Dynasty In Decline...in alarming enough from a recruitment standpoint.
 
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How is DeShields spokesman for the team? Graves is a 4th year senior who has been through a lot more at Tennessee than anyone else. The attention DeShields has received seems to be a problem affecting the entire team.
 
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This article along with others picture the LV program in demise, to me that has a great adverse effect upon recruiting. I think that such articles, added to fans unhappiness, and our donut for the 2016 recruiting class, will hamper our 2017 recruitment efforts. You know that other coaches will not have an issue talking about the weaknesses, perceived or realistic, of the LV program when recruiting against us. Especially snakes like the coach at Ohio State. It will be interesting how our recruiting pans out for the future.
 
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How is DeShields spokesman for the team? Graves is a 4th year senior who has been through a lot more at Tennessee than anyone else. The attention DeShields has received seems to be a problem affecting the entire team.

Maybe Graves does not like the spotlight. But exactly in what way is the attention to DeShield leading to the teams problems -- not hitting jump shots, not switching on zones, unforced turnovers etc. ?
 
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I am convinced that HW has lower expectations for our program than the fan base does. Just listen to her fumble for answers. She is not going to second guess herself? Every successful businessman or coach owes it to themselves to do an in depth analysis when things turn south. She has ruined a once dominate program, I mean think about it no recruits for 2016. That is still hard to comprehend.
 
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Holly, in a round about way, is blaming the fans for her own short comings as a coach. She seems to want to blame the fans for attacking the players when that's really not the case. Most of the criticism is against her and how she hasn't addressed any of the problems that plague the team year in and year out since she has been head coach. It wasn't very smart of her to come out using coach speak to subtly attack the fan base like she did in that article.
 
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Most depressing article I have read in a long time.

She's doesn't get it, doesn't think she is doing anything wrong, and is not going anywhere.
 
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Most depressing article I have read in a long time.

She's doesn't get it, doesn't think she is doing anything wrong, and is not going anywhere.

I'm probably thinking she won't get it until she gets that call to clear out her office..By then, of course, it's to late..She had plenty of warning...oh well
 
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When you have good ideas and you're old school and stubborn, that can possibly be a good thing. When you have BAD ideas and you're old school and stubborn, that's a recipe for disaster AKA our current situation.
 
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How is DeShields spokesman for the team? Graves is a 4th year senior who has been through a lot more at Tennessee than anyone else. The attention DeShields has received seems to be a problem affecting the entire team.


Agree agree !!
Just her attitude in feelings she can come in after only a handful of games ever in a LV uniform and be the voice ?? That sums up the problem! Don't you have to earn that!? That friends is what happened to the chemistry . It shouldn't be all about her .
 
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I never pay too much attention to what any coach says. I pay attention to what they do and how their team plays. If the team wins, does anybody really care what she says? I don't. But of course the team is not winning and is playing horribly. That is the problem. Fix that, coach, and you can insult me to your heart's content or blabber away about anything you choose...won't bother me.
 
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I credit Fleser for talking to Warlick about the coaching issue. Here are the FACTS: UT's offense has been dog-ass terrible for more than a DECADE. What are averaging this year--in the 50s? Some games it doesn't look like we'll reach 50. UConn scored 106 points tonight--106. Our offense sux--the scheme/sets sux, the coaching sux, the decision-making by our players sux. PS couldn't coach team offense and Warlick is worse. How many points did we score in our Elite Eight game against Maryland. Answer: 48.

Here's another fact: Warlick hasn't been "doing this" all her life. She was 2nd assistant for many, many years. That's a cheerleader, be a pal of the players job--a far cry from head coach at Tennessee. I saw her the first couple of years--she could barely talk she was so nervous. Over her head. And let's flip the discussion: What exactly has Warlick done that would suggest she's a /good/ coach? What good teams has she beaten? I think the answer is none--zero. Oregon State this year? It remains to be seen if they are a strong team; they are not exactly a perennial power. How has Warlick done against Notre Dame? I think we've played the Irish every year she's been head coach--and McGraw has schooled HW and our staff and our team ALL FOUR YEARS. Not just won the games--schooled us. Warlick and the Vols did beat up some very mediocre SEC teams regularly in recent years, team with less talent that us, gotten pretty good seeds in the NCAA tourney, won a couple of tournament games against unranked teams at home--and that is the extent of her achievement, if you can call it that. Then we lose to the first good team we play. And we can't even beat up on SEC teams anymore--losses to florida and arkansas. Every time we play a stout team, we lose--and yet HW wants us to believe that she's a good coach.

The Vols have been badly coached for years. Look at the numbers--the numbers prove the point. Our team shooting percentage, our turnovers, our assists--all WAY below what ND and UConn achieve every year, WAY below. Bad passing and turnovers and team offense have been a problem for years. When the players change but the problems remain the same, year after year, what does that tell you? It tells me that we have weak coaching. We constantly blow leads; no matter who we play, it's usually a close game because we are not efficient or fundamentally sound enough to put any team away. In a word, we vastly UNDERACHIEVE.

As for the pressure excuse, it is just that--an excuse. You got out and you play. DeShields is a second year player with big talent; we have a bench full of highly recruited players and more talent than nearly every team we play. Most of our players are experienced, in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th year players. If they can't deal with a little game pressure, they should all quit basketball and take up sewing. The pressure excuse is just another example of what a weak-minded, soft program we've become. The basketball program has become totally weak-minded from top to bottom--and I mean it. Recall the Louisville Elite Eight game two/three years. Mighty Tennessee is playing Louisville--a team that has won ZERO in its history. And what happened? The Vols utterly choked. We were playing nervous, scared, panicky basketball before the the first half was two-thirds over. We folded--just like we fold in most games we play. Recall last year's Maryland game and most of our games this year--the same pattern: We start out playing pretty solid and then begin a slow collapse. We have leads and then instead of growing them, we start to fold and the the lead disappears. Notre Dame game the other night--the same thing. This is a team with no character and no toughness.

If Warlick had the chops and ambition to be a head coach, she would have left and become a head coach a long time ago. Instead, she stayed for more than 25 years and played the role of best friend of PS. That's fine--but that damn sure doesn't make you head-coaching material. The team stats, the consistent losses against any solid teams, the poor, fundamentally UNSOUND basketball that we play, and that we've played for several years--they are all telling.
 
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Its not Hollys fault.....if you don't believe it , just ask her. Holly is a joke. If Holly gets fired she will never coach at another big time school. They will have more sense than what Tn AD had.
 
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Its not Hollys fault.....if you don't believe it , just ask her. Holly is a joke. If Holly gets fired she will never coach at another big time school. They will have more sense than what Tn AD had.

She will not be fired til the program is completely destroyed. And I'm afraid if she is allowed another year to ...cough...cough coach this team, then it's time to turn out the lights. LV Basketball will be a thing of the past.
 
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I agree that the pressure is a mere excuse..... Man, we have 7 McD's All Americans.... and we lost to Arkansas, Florida, and Va Tech, who i am sure have zero..... the people who named those high schoolers all americans wouldn't be wrong 7 times..... and what other big name team does not face the same pressure..... it could be argued that since program has not been to FF in 8 years, that in fact there is LESS pressure. it's depressing.
 
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This article along with others picture the LV program in demise, to me that has a great adverse effect upon recruiting. I think that such articles, added to fans unhappiness, and our donut for the 2016 recruiting class, will hamper our 2017 recruitment efforts. You know that other coaches will not have an issue talking about the weaknesses, perceived or realistic, of the LV program when recruiting against us. Especially snakes like the coach at Ohio State. It will be interesting how our recruiting pans out for the future.

"Devastating" rather than "interesting" is perhaps the better word choice to describe how recruiting will likely pan out. I say this because I fear the dreaded "Lemming Effect" has arrived on the scene of this already painful enough debacle. If so, the raft will plunge over the waterfall no matter how hard Holly tries to paddle and direct it back upstream.
 
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"I think as a coach," she said, "when you're losing games you have a tendency to want to question yourself. I'm not going to do that. I've been doing this all my life. You're not always going to be on top. Sometimes you go through some adversity. That's what we're doing right now.

"One year doesn't make me a bad coach. My concern is not whether people believe in me. It's the kids."

...Warlick believes that the Lady Vols' offensive woes are weighing on the players' minds and thus affecting their play. Guard Diamond DeShields essentially agrees.

"There's a lot of pressure on us to perform, to be this great Tennessee team that we know we can be," she said Tuesday night during the "Lady Vols Illustrated" radio show. "But the pressure is there and I think because of that we do second guess what we're doing and think too much."

Is it adversity or pressure for Lady Vols?

It's poor leadership from Holly. She doesn't have the emotional or intellectual make-up required of a head coach.
 
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"I think as a coach," she said, "when you're losing games you have a tendency to want to question yourself. I'm not going to do that. I've been doing this all my life. You're not always going to be on top. Sometimes you go through some adversity. That's what we're doing right now.

"One year doesn't make me a bad coach. My concern is not whether people believe in me. It's the kids."

...Warlick believes that the Lady Vols' offensive woes are weighing on the players' minds and thus affecting their play. Guard Diamond DeShields essentially agrees.

"There's a lot of pressure on us to perform, to be this great Tennessee team that we know we can be," she said Tuesday night during the "Lady Vols Illustrated" radio show. "But the pressure is there and I think because of that we do second guess what we're doing and think too much."

Is it adversity or pressure for Lady Vols?

While I agree fans should ease up on the players, then so should the head coach, Holly has thrown the players under the bus several times. When a head coach blame the players for a lose because they did not follow the game plan, he/she is trying to deflect the problem from the coaches to the players. Added to all of the issues is the coaching admitting that they do not know how to resolve the issue. If the fans need to look in the mirror, then so does Holly.
 
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Agree agree !!
Just her attitude in feelings she can come in after only a handful of games ever in a LV uniform and be the voice ?? That sums up the problem! Don't you have to earn that!? That friends is what happened to the chemistry . It shouldn't be all about her .
Maybe no one else has the personality or want to take on the responsibility to be a spokesperson. That's part of the problem no body wants to take charge or be the go to player. Perhaps DD puts too much pressure on herself to make this team a success. I just feel bad about how the players are being blasted on this forum. I drive almost 2 hours to get to these games, and no I don't like the way they are playing. I had such great hopes!! But as long as I can get there I will be there to support them. GO Lady Vols.\!!!!:yahoo:
 
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Maybe no one else has the personality or want to take on the responsibility to be a spokesperson. That's part of the problem no body wants to take charge or be the go to player. Perhaps DD puts too much pressure on herself to make this team a success. I just feel bad about how the players are being blasted on this forum. I drive almost 2 hours to get to these games, and no I don't like the way they are playing. I had such great hopes!! But as long as I can get there I will be there to support them. GO Lady Vols.\!!!!:yahoo:

It's probably even easier than that. Diamond was NFOY and a preseason AA. Likely, the interviewer sought ner, not the other way around.
 
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Not only is she having a bad year as she says coaching. She is having a terrible year recruiting actually two bad years so guess she is bad at everything that the leader of the team needs to do.
 
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Maybe no one else has the personality or want to take on the responsibility to be a spokesperson. That's part of the problem no body wants to take charge or be the go to player. Perhaps DD puts too much pressure on herself to make this team a success. I just feel bad about how the players are being blasted on this forum. I drive almost 2 hours to get to these games, and no I don't like the way they are playing. I had such great hopes!! But as long as I can get there I will be there to support them. GO Lady Vols.\!!!!:yahoo:

I will support them too. Not making it tonight because I don't know what weather is going to be when I come out of TBA.
 
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How is DeShields spokesman for the team? Graves is a 4th year senior who has been through a lot more at Tennessee than anyone else. The attention DeShields has received seems to be a problem affecting the entire team.

DeShields could be the best player in the NCAA if she would do two things...control the ball and stop unforced turnovers (she ranges around 5 per game) and second to realize there are four other players on the court and become a "team player" and make better shot selections or let someone else shoot too.
 
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